Received: from localhost ([::1]:50797 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aFEDY-0007Gr-BR; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:55:04 -0800 Received: from mail-qg0-f52.google.com ([209.85.192.52]:35293) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aFEDS-0007Fd-1u for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:55:03 -0800 Received: by mail-qg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o11so223367353qge.2 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:54:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=disposition-notification-to:return-receipt-to:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=zzrumwbRHwZ+s7Ywok1VlN6whYLLGJsdXa8yXD+4C8o=; b=0euwq/CGU7JoaNPglzivyDyJ7bmzOBa/GMLkoTWElZLqaspFHNXBSVzN5CTFOc+uKL n6aWtLYzlKhsH7VMEcqc7I7b8fpZtfe0ndMc9oCj57HYhafBO7XaZKr/zuCwXfcTmSA8 ZjVmhPP5NtWXaWw9Gr/5N58pb92KxSAsLzx3xq0q2/X8egoNjI2JmuxtLuzTGNMpZWjW rW9pwVhZpvy+9aq70d3WmSIYcnzMl+ppGnPtU6E2MZN+vC79ULDMgYz1F1zAL93bWY6/ vcw6ir8msv/UAAkOu7nLzClaC48JJ5whXYRmzesp0Y39H8QnM4AOk2qhk23qkG8v69x3 h4PQ== X-Received: by 10.140.152.18 with SMTP id 18mr39981188qhy.16.1451710492125; Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:54:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:5c0:c000:25f9:facf:c5ff:fea0:db80? ([2601:5c0:c000:25f9:facf:c5ff:fea0:db80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 45sm35829182qgg.17.2016.01.01.20.54.51 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:54:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <9AC7ACDB-A395-4564-8340-20876DAB07CA@gmail.com> <8417352.OZs0BEeQn5@caracal> <20151231133103.GA20974@mercury.ccil.org> <20151231142416.GB20974@mercury.ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Karen Stein Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 21:29:17 -0500 To: llg-members@lojban.org Message-ID: <30EB7BDE-6084-4342-94C5-A35F0033F427@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] "Modal" X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org In response to the following I wonder what the possibility is of not only having such sorry explanations, but having them refer to similar ideas in several other languages. For example, have an explanation in English such add that given by Gleki, and then something similar referring to concepts or parts of speech in another language such as preterito in Spanish when discussing types of past tense. This extra bit could be in the other language or English. By doing so we then step a bit beyond the current English bias and expand the understanding of readers, both those who speak English as a first language and those who speak something else as a first language. karis On December 31, 2015 10:06:02 AM EST, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >If BPFK defines the language in Lojban only and CLL doesn't belong to >that >definitions then this discussion is of course relevant. > >If there is an agreement on not using "modal" and using {lo sumtcita} >then >it's kinda style used in Wave Lessons. > >https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Wave_Lessons > >I have no objections. I'd suggest still making short explanations >saying >that in many cases {lo sumtcita} means "preposition like "at", "because >of"." as The 2002 Cambridge Grammar of the English Language does >according >to la balgenpre. > >Binding Lojban to English is inevitable as long as CLL is in English. > >Same for even more infamous terms like "verbs" and "nouns": >http://www.linguistics.ucla.edu/faciliti/wpl/issues/wpl17/papers/16_haspelmath.pdf > _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members