Received: from localhost ([::1]:54270 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aM8hC-0007au-C3; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 22:26:14 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com ([74.125.82.48]:36033) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1aM8h5-0007Zy-JV for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 22:26:12 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f48.google.com with SMTP id l65so206496833wmf.1 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 22:26:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=PQSpkRN2fSa70Q/mpvGb1VVDzBKPR18GnIwWqC10GfU=; b=zT2qCzLZLIoYmPMSzsuHqTGC1FZFet2VApg7AeyGGYzsWdbMio5x7wadvWkVZRXUzA Dar3DPml0y0OREiz9LuTJc8zHUQYzphJ0tKLqt0KkoGtzPW57zNx49TdTD7rstJs4Ay4 4xcTST++P2BML+1oMuu22R6C7ZvdORDRpEin9SMlilXGbtDijfuFXqIgc5v6Z+KZMHTF /AXVbuw7rxvnaux9nJ2r4qplu/dcDcLmVf/XTflBoigILdBuPUfwIGL2qn8rWpIdo6bV 1/2bkE3XEGKpeAbnFPF6Gpx9a7ErKrz1yz6ba+TtMoZHwdZi98czq6Jt+EFqKt5qZo5C vM/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=PQSpkRN2fSa70Q/mpvGb1VVDzBKPR18GnIwWqC10GfU=; b=A6nMSYvnIvRNn8KanMmiHSBxqjzkm3P0f+seWhPyjyavUfC1Rzj3JfQ8ajIBdxcGrh 7KkPy/nTFBzhrPpHhGzNYF4BeAYHshcPFvQkVC6K30PhWIW/eDbWw9u8BcBaNwIQrcsu JyegNRPPUBDB2yVLeGnEhG5uMlblU6btHy/3Yzx94XQgU7YTv1WY8Bsh4hRZ4L6bN51w tCKVe3wk/5dYNRsuZcHz9rRdGYFnJsM0TeIDq0XLPCpro0DDRXaDffehRsi40bi3bPL8 E92kze9/CkcEHY+a4uteNV6boM2ePfl5itGKN1hWrNYLOulhcLLjWUb05cCBVGAZvfBi P38A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn9p6m7MwLX1HgJ6azRDdKoIGn60qJbZTg78tSovMC0Yxh9RyxnFHQaYbLtz0N77ykc7qjatugr8GHenSdpMPAwqqAo5g== X-Received: by 10.194.77.137 with SMTP id s9mr38396963wjw.171.1453357560702; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 22:26:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.92.136 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 22:25:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <80746436.1y1rc6JMGV@caracal> References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <80746436.1y1rc6JMGV@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:25:21 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] "Modal" X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2681389914115102445==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2681389914115102445== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0d2ec232d2d0529d22d18 --047d7bf0d2ec232d2d0529d22d18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-01-21 6:05 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 19:08:01 Curtis Franks wrote: > > I agree with the general sentiment that "modal" is bad and I think that > we > > should use purely Lojbanic terminology in the main treatment of the > > material, offering translations and explanations in other languages > > (definitely including the primary non-Lojban language of the resource at > > hand) upon introduction of the concepts. I also believe that > sumtcita-hood > > is a role and not a class of words, although I and others often do not > make > > the distinction (which is entirely our fault and should be fixed for any > > careful, instructive or official presentation of this material- so that > > future generations think in properly precise terms). I suppose that > "tcita > > valsi" or "tcityvla" could work as names for the general class of cmavo > > that sometimes function as sumtcita (and possibly includes other markers > as > > well). > > I read in Wikipedia that "proper preposition" is indeed used for words that > are primarily prepositions, while members of other parts of speech used as > prepositions are called "improper prepositions". A fi'o-phrase is called > "complex preposition". For Lojban terms, I suggest "seljinzi sumtcita", > "nalseljinzi sumtcita", and "pluja sumtcita". > I think for this cases single lujvo might be preferrable since those are more or less complete rules even within the currently accepted BNF/PEG grammars. > Pierre > -- > gau do li'i co'e kei do > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --047d7bf0d2ec232d2d0529d22d18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-01-21 6:05 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@leaf.dragonflybs= d.org>:
On= Tuesday, January 19, 2016 19:08:01 Curtis Franks wrote:
> I agree with the general sentiment that "modal" is bad and I= think that we
> should use purely Lojbanic terminology in the main treatment of the > material, offering translations and explanations in other languages > (definitely including the primary non-Lojban language of the resource = at
> hand) upon introduction of the concepts.=C2=A0 I also believe that sum= tcita-hood
> is a role and not a class of words, although I and others often do not= make
> the distinction (which is entirely our fault and should be fixed for a= ny
> careful, instructive or official presentation of this material- so tha= t
> future generations think in properly precise terms).=C2=A0 I suppose t= hat "tcita
> valsi" or "tcityvla" could work as names for the genera= l class of cmavo
> that sometimes function as sumtcita (and possibly includes other marke= rs as
> well).

I read in Wikipedia that "proper preposition" is indeed us= ed for words that
are primarily prepositions, while members of other parts of speech used as<= br> prepositions are called "improper prepositions". A fi'o-phras= e is called
"complex preposition". For Lojban terms, I suggest "seljinzi= sumtcita",
"nalseljinzi sumtcita", and "pluja sumtcita".

I think for this cases single lujvo might be pre= ferrable since those are more or less complete rules even within the curren= tly accepted BNF/PEG grammars.


Pierre
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