Received: from localhost ([::1]:60689 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aVZDa-000178-8B; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:34:38 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]:37483) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aVZDT-000166-SU for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:34:36 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f44.google.com with SMTP id g62so137401830wme.0 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:34:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Xt33OjJ7hEGzvd9sLStDDjb/LNKJnNzfJq5Jt6Fv15c=; b=Isc8maaxOPBYiNhgGbBA7geYKjQ9RraskHZfnHi9zAuJaJbmtKmek1iGr9yah0J4GW WtIs/3bWZAEUMLvXbxEPsVIOkVpDyJPDwE44hx4mdBzfFP1wy0VTwryWZCFysBKJlDU2 UZuQlS3maAISTsPsUKv6oDLMBpF4Fr3ikHKVUQ5MyUETs2hMhaMFdKbRmuc2K37JxEIu zNkTVZC6mq1XE3/BIJ08XFSb8dX6htcV4wJyc99MYASG4AvdrWteJqMt+vM68b12XPIS c6XQ/wXTBp0ObT2G0v4QcsU/fiQ/uraZZBf/cZF5jNdkWNPkl713JFS2BkevbD0PUZBx 9cZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Xt33OjJ7hEGzvd9sLStDDjb/LNKJnNzfJq5Jt6Fv15c=; b=dkOmx5wyUdPTRkLury69COnanpruNAI06T6OunyZF6Tf4+rWgmbUIgtGTkt3q19wP6 WTfQ7jD4xgR3+pS/yhdC2kWlyRnYR9FgaVAbfpT29gr36zpSveyPC/eZ5t6D1jJWMIhp WNwiokq8YoBw2hlqiVH/lAkE5nRCa0tsSD/+78BfLj1BdqBg6rqraE/a2QSvQQCNSmVP 1ZH4YtdgJD+qSp3aWjOzlXH8HK15hTvlSGdPmpj9t9G6OEV/gC+kf2e8JepbAOySXIXS I/L+4ykpzqZo5iFL1dCUQbYopiAC8kThOw97nlRLG6fVVw0kogEXqK9xjss/cAdaGgM+ W5vQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSlzVdIIKULCH25sh9w3CNHPuUxPs627G2lVcsjtj9XX/qcrGagNTHaiTof0Q4MqqElr2pfv50O7+GHpQ== X-Received: by 10.194.23.37 with SMTP id j5mr6590981wjf.171.1455604465197; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:34:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.91.210 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:33:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2548800.VjRsp9KpVf@caracal> References: <56C2163C.8020700@lojban.org> <2548800.VjRsp9KpVf@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:33:45 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] My health X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2844435916519951519==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2844435916519951519== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b414e8c14ea28052bdd530a --047d7b414e8c14ea28052bdd530a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2016-02-16 8:16 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > On Monday, February 15, 2016 21:53:16 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > I'm sorry to hear those news about your health. I hope you'll be fine > soon. > > a'o do zenba lo ni kanro > > Currently the most important issue as i see it is to protect Lojban fro= m > > drowning into obscurity. > > Robin still provides hosting and it's free of charge. > > > > For other alternatives I recommend such payment schemes as > > http://elasticweb.org/en > > because we don't know beforehand how much resources we'll need. > > For static websites like dictionary search engines and parsers static > > websites like provided by Github are one of the best solutions as of no= w > > since Github has compared to Robin's servers almost no downtimes. > > I set up a backup mailserver on DigitalOcean a few months ago. It costs m= e > $10 > a month and it's just like my frontup mailserver (a box I bought years ag= o > and > put Linux on), except it doesn't have anywhere near as much disk space > (it's > 30 gig) and it doesn't have any X programs installed. I ssh into either o= ne > and run commands. Instead of selecting various classes of websites as on > ElasticWeb, you choose which OS you want. As I've been running Linux and > BSD > for years and setting up various services, that made more sense to me. > I mentioned http://elasticweb.org/en because there you pay for actual consumption of resources. So if instead of 30 Gig you actually consume only 28.5 Gig you pay for that, not for 30 Gig. > > > For increasing the presence of Lojban I used gateways between > > IRC/Telegram/Slack which are some of popular replacements for IRC chat > > these days. Again we rely here exclusively on Robin. We can of course > move > > them out of his servers and that would be not more than 7 USD per month > > which I'm sure we can handle (in this case there will be no downtimes a= t > > all). > > Why do we need a replacement for IRC or a gateway between IRC and somethi= ng > else? > I never said "replacement". IRC has always been a geeky thing impeding Lojban presence. Since powerful companies are trying to split internet into detached entities the only thing we can do is to try to connect them back without fighting those companies. If you and I are okay with IRC it doesn't mean others are okay. Slack got 300 000 new users during the last two months while the user base of Telegram is at least 50 million people and only on Android. > > Also we have some textbooks done via a grammarian approach (drilling > rules > > of grammar) for which we'll need to work on anti-grammarian approach > (learn > > via passive immersion into speaking Lojban) for which only real-time > talks > > in Lojban Text Chat (can no longer say IRC) are now available. But I ma= de > > an initial sketch of first "flashcard sentences" on memrise.com althoug= h > > the latter is terrible in teaching languages (although almost noone tri= ed > > teaching there through sentences). Basically I could as well make a fil= e > > with those sentences to be printed on paper to be put on the wall to be > > read. > > What about books for jboverba? I know there are "le virnu smani blozerle'= a" > and the like, but is there a book explaining grammar in Lojban? > Grammar or how to speak Lojban? If the second then why not make one? "English through pictures" is not immediately for children but at least some start. I converted that book into an editable format retaining pictures so you can start forking it (which wouldn't be straightforward of course): https://drive.google.com/open?id=3D0Bxngu1CNj7wdanR6MlBIRE1NcXc > Pierre > -- > When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. > J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --047d7b414e8c14ea28052bdd530a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-02-16 8:16 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@leaf.dragonflybs= d.org>:
On Monday, Febru= ary 15, 2016 21:53:16 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> I'm sorry to hear those news about your health. I hope you'll = be fine soon.
> a'o do zenba lo ni kanro
> Currently the most important issue as i see it is to protect Lojban fr= om
> drowning into obscurity.
> Robin still provides hosting and it's free of charge.
>
> For other alternatives I recommend such payment schemes as
> http://elasticweb.org/en
> because we don't know beforehand how much resources we'll need= .
> For static websites like dictionary search engines and parsers static<= br> > websites like provided by Github are one of the best solutions as of n= ow
> since Github has compared to Robin's servers almost no downtimes.<= br>
I set up a backup mailserver on DigitalOcean a few months ago. It co= sts me $10
a month and it's just like my frontup mailserver (a box I bought years = ago and
put Linux on), except it doesn't have anywhere near as much disk space = (it's
30 gig) and it doesn't have any X programs installed. I ssh into either= one
and run commands. Instead of selecting various classes of websites as on ElasticWeb, you choose which OS you want. As I've been running Linux an= d BSD
for years and setting up various services, that made more sense to me.
<= /blockquote>


> For increasing the presence of Lojban I used gateways between
> IRC/Telegram/Slack which are some of popular replacements for IRC chat=
> these days. Again we rely here exclusively on Robin. We can of course = move
> them out of his servers and that would be not more than 7 USD per mont= h
> which I'm sure we can handle (in this case there will be no downti= mes at
> all).

Why do we need a replacement for IRC or a gateway between IRC and so= mething
else?

IRC has always been a geeky thing impeding Lojban presence.<= /div>
Since powerful companies are trying to split internet into detach= ed entities the only thing we can do is to try to connect them back without= fighting those companies.

If you and I are okay w= ith IRC it doesn't mean others are okay. Slack got 300 000 new users du= ring the last two months while the user base of Telegram is at least 50 mil= lion people and only on Android.


> Also we have some textbooks done via a grammarian approach (drilling r= ules
> of grammar) for which we'll need to work on anti-grammarian approa= ch (learn
> via passive immersion into speaking Lojban) for which only real-time t= alks
> in Lojban Text Chat (can no longer say IRC) are now available. But I m= ade
> an initial sketch of first "flashcard sentences" on memrise.com although
> the latter is terrible in teaching languages (although almost noone tr= ied
> teaching there through sentences). Basically I could as well make a fi= le
> with those sentences to be printed on paper to be put on the wall to b= e
> read.

What about books for jboverba? I know there are "le virnu smani= blozerle'a"
and the like, but is there a book explaining grammar in Lojban?

Grammar or how to speak Lojban? If the second then= why not make one?
"English through pictures" is not im= mediately for children but at least some start.


Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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