Received: from localhost ([::1]:45297 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aWBtd-0002N7-Ed; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:52:37 -0800 Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net ([68.230.241.214]:58072) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aWBtW-0002MA-EP for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:52:35 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20160217235224.WHFJ8634.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:52:24 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.244.98]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id KbsQ1s0022869s801bsQwh; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:52:24 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.56C507B8.0087,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Cv1hhAED c=1 sm=1 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:17 a=N_xfk-5950OaNWF-31IA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none To: llg-members@lojban.org References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <4E514785-A922-4D75-B34A-EFB3880C5712@gmail.com> <566701E3.4060408@lojban.org> <566CD949.7010504@lojban.org> <5671E710.2020407@lojban.org> <56C37E88.4030000@lojban.org> From: Bob LeChevalier Message-ID: <56C507B8.3040105@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:52:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] International lojban community issues (was Re: 2015 Annual Meeting) X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On 2/17/2016 3:28 AM, guskant wrote: > (I think it is the key feature of cultural neutrality of Lojban that > most expressions that are grammatically forced in natural languages > are optional in Lojban. It is worth mentioning in the next version of > CLL as a culturally neutral structure of Lojban.) I think in fact that the optional usage is PRIMARILY what JCB meant by "culturally neutral". As for the other things you wrote, I would probably first try to use some form of metalinguistic form (SEI/SEhU) to mark role-wording, as a first approach, adding cmavo only if they provided a significant increase in clarity. Otherwise, I need to think about things a lot more than I am capable of right now (health reasons). lojbab _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members