Received: from localhost ([::1]:41871 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ08b-0007Rg-Vz; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 09:55:42 -0800 Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net ([68.230.241.213]:43846) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aZ08Y-0007Qg-15 for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 09:55:40 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20160225175532.MFQB10784.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net> for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:55:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.244.98]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with cox id NhvX1s00D2869s801hvXrE; Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:55:31 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.56CF4014.0001, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=atg8CEpV c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:117 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=wMdDiUGq9V982tN7qD0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none To: llg-members@lojban.org References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <9AC7ACDB-A395-4564-8340-20876DAB07CA@gmail.com> <56CC9C72.4040908@lojban.org> From: Bob LeChevalier Message-ID: <56CF4028.70700@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:55:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting - response to discussion X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On 2/23/2016 1:10 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > 2016-02-23 20:52 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier >: > > As to the discussion of what LLG should be doing (which I stayed out > of), I will try to be brief. > > IMO, no one should be working on CLL 2.0 at this time (unless the > bpfk jatna has chosen to do so as a means of moving byfy work along). > > > I would add that everyone is free and even advised to fork > https://github.com/lojban/cll/tree/docbook-prince-cll-2.0 branch on > github and continue working on these branches. > > Of course, they are all unofficial but since it's a lot of work when LLG > or BPFK or other entities decide to apply something officially they > might need your work. .oi This is not a useful email. The average person has no idea how to do anything on github.com, which is just a random website name to me. I vaguely recognize "docbook" and "prince" as words that Robin has used in talking about the CLL publishing effort, but I know nothing more than that (and probably don't want to). I have no idea why I would fork that address, or what that would accomplish. Since most of us have no and aren't involved in publishing CLL, we would (and should) have no clue how to "continue working" on something that is hopefully almost done. If you are referring to some version of CLL after Robin's version, you seem to have ignored what I just posted that you responded to - that no one should be working on them in the absence of some direction by the byfy jatna. Otherwise what "work" could meaningfully be done, since a change to CLL reflects an official change to the language specification, which can only be done byfy. I suspect that a lot more would be done by new people if people who post stuff like this would presume that most people who will read it have no idea what is being talked about, and thus include some general context and maybe a few links that explain what is being done, by whom, and why someone might want to get involved. -------- In any event, I posted on the members list as part of the meeting, as a response to discussion about goals for LLG as an organization. Specific discussions about what to do (on github or elsewhere) and how to do it should be moved to the main list, so the meeting can try to focus on making decisions. _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members