To: llg-members@lojban.org
References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com>
 <56C1998B.5050005@lojban.org>
 <82DDFA36-4BF2-44E7-AF8A-8A810E50EE0A@gmail.com>
 <CACf3dP=Qes3XCxaYujs4rtx_n1iDozmub-mqtq-TcjGv0zstjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <56CCA114.90203@lojban.org>
 <CAO7bV+g_CxLoOwGMCHZy=wT+5pXZKpNpgXwMHknsW90J+ju97A@mail.gmail.com>
From: Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
Message-ID: <56CF4358.5040600@lojban.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:09:28 -0500
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/38.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAO7bV+g_CxLoOwGMCHZy=wT+5pXZKpNpgXwMHknsW90J+ju97A@mail.gmail.com>
X-Spam_score: -1.9
X-Spam_score_int: -18
X-Spam_bar: -
Subject: Re: [Llg-members] LLG Annual Meeting - Board Election
X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20
Precedence: list
List-Id: <llg-members.lojban.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/options/llg-members>,
 <mailto:llg-members-request@lojban.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/private/llg-members/>
List-Post: <mailto:llg-members@lojban.org>
List-Help: <mailto:llg-members-request@lojban.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members>,
 <mailto:llg-members-request@lojban.org?subject=subscribe>
Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"
Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org

On 2/23/2016 2:11 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
>
>
> 2016-02-23 21:12 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org
> <mailto:lojbab@lojban.org>>:
>
>     At this point, And Rosta and Craig Daniel have indicated conditional
>     willingness to serve on the Board.  I can add my name, and I'd like
>     to be able to count on mukti.  But even with Craig and And, that
>     brings in no "new blood", and we need to develop some new people who
>     will lead the community, preferably more actively than I have managed.
>
>     I will propose that gleki continue on the Board.  He has been as
>     active as anyone in participating.  He seems reluctant to get
>     involved in anything that is tied to the legal requirements of a
>     corporation in part because he doesn't know American law.
>
>     I also propose that guskant also be added to the Board, probably
>     with the same limitations as gleki.  I see lots of ideas and strong
>     opinions, and we need to be considering those.
>
>     We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers (lo
>     casnu).
>
>     We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in
>     corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to
>     someone at some point.  At present mukti could possibly do the job
>     in addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against
>     that, since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my
>     burnout in the 90s.
>
> Maybe la mukti can explain what is most  troublesome in the jobs of the
> secretary and the treasurer so that others including me can help him.

I'm not sure that it is very troublesome at all, since Robin 
systematized everything to use a piece of off-the-shelf software that 
mukti already had and knows how to use.

In general there is the accounting that is associated with every 
business.  There are various submissions required as part of tax laws, 
some quarterly and some annually.

The secretary is also supposed to produce minutes of the various 
official meetings and keep up the official copies of the bylaws and 
membership list.

I have wanted us to be keeping track of the customers that have bough 
copies of CLL, which is what I did when I was trying to do the job, but 
I think Robin decided wasn't necessary.  Having a customer list is 
useful when we put out new versions or publications, or when we try to 
organize activities that prior customers might want to be involved in. 
But keeping up a good customer list takes work, and ideally involves 
having something to say to the customers on the list worthy of sending 
mail to them.  (Sending mail to them helps us keep track of when 
addresses have changed or aren't valid any more).  So all of this 
requires a significantly higher level of effort than doing the most 
basic Secretary/Treasurer job.  And it has to be done consistently or it 
probably isn't worth doing at all.

A good list of addresses would be useful, for example, in planning 
geographically based activities and sub-groups, as was mentioned in 
another posting.

>        We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person to hold
>     multiple offices.  (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I had
>     to do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond
>     producing annual meeting minutes).  We need someone to serve as Vice
>     President, preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta
>     has had.
>
>     ----------------------
>
>     So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they
>     accept my nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers
>     and/or nominations.
>
> Given the current conditions of the lack of other zukte I have to accept
> that nomination. If I have a right to vote I also approve of la guskant

All LLG members will have a right to vote for between 3 and 7 
candidates,  But please wait to vote until we have a slate of possible 
candidates for the Board.

lojbab


_______________________________________________
Llg-members mailing list
Llg-members@lojban.org
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members