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([2600:1003:b84d:8e2a:8723:9543:52b7:60fe]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c84sm14625017ywb.41.2016.02.27.11.42.48 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:42:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56C1998B.5050005@lojban.org> <82DDFA36-4BF2-44E7-AF8A-8A810E50EE0A@gmail.com> <56CCA114.90203@lojban.org> <56CF474A.4030009@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Karen Stein Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 07:54:22 -0500 To: llg-members@lojban.org Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [Llg-members] LLG Annual Meeting - Board Election X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5139798557891923661==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5139798557891923661== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----I7V5BUC7UK5QKU119ADD6R3XACK4SL" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------I7V5BUC7UK5QKU119ADD6R3XACK4SL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I disagree that all members of the Board should be active lojban users. In fact having people invested in the continuance and improvement of this project who are not provides more variety of perspectives. karis On February 25, 2016 10:43:12 PM EST, Craig Daniel wrote: >Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the alternative is >failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be to not. I >think >the Lojban community would be better served by a board comprised in the >main of active users of the language, and consider literally every LLG >member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year and >is >willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat. > >But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and if I'm >necessary, >here I stand. > >- mi'e .kreig. > >On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 PM Bob LeChevalier >wrote: > >> On 2/23/2016 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >> > We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers >(lo >> > casnu). >> > >> > We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in >> > corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to >> > someone at some point. At present mukti could possibly do the job >in >> > addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against >that, >> > since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my >burnout >> > in the 90s. We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person to >hold >> > multiple offices. (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I >had to >> > do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond producing >> > annual meeting minutes). We need someone to serve as Vice >President, >> > preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had. >> > >> > ---------------------- >> > >> > So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they >accept my >> > nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or >> nominations. >> > >> > I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, unless >there >> > is a request for more time. >> >> I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, since >> "Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days. >> >> Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am going >to >> keep the deadline open until next Monday. >> >> If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or trying to >> lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have LLG >do >> much of anything towards any goals whatsoever. >> >> I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an >> organization once I no longer lead it. I'm not entirely sure that >> enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on trying >to >> organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to >> communicate and interact. >> >> lojbab >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Llg-members mailing list >Llg-members@lojban.org >http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members ------I7V5BUC7UK5QKU119ADD6R3XACK4SL Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I disagree that all members of the Board should be active lojban users. In fact having people invested in the continuance and improvement of this project who are not provides more variety of perspectives.

karis

On February 25, 2016 10:43:12 PM EST, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:

Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the alternative is failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be to not. I think the Lojban community would be better served by a board comprised in the main of active users of the language, and consider literally every LLG member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year and is willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat.

But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and if I'm necessary, here I stand.

- mi'e .kreig.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 PM Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
On 2/23/2016 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers (lo
> casnu).
>
> We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in
> corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to
> someone at some point.  At present mukti could possibly do the job in
> addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against that,
> since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my burnout
> in the 90s.  We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person to hold
> multiple offices.  (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I had to
> do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond producing
> annual meeting minutes).  We need someone to serve as Vice President,
> preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had.
>
> ----------------------
>
> So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they accept my
> nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or nominations.
>
> I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, unless there
> is a request for more time.

I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, since
"Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days.

Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am going to
keep the deadline open until next Monday.

If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or trying to
lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have LLG do
much of anything towards any goals whatsoever.

I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an
organization once I no longer lead it.  I'm not entirely sure that
enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on trying to
organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to
communicate and interact.

lojbab


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