Received: from localhost ([::1]:56880 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aZkm8-0006HH-NA; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:43:36 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f176.google.com ([209.85.161.176]:36663) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aZklw-0006FC-Hg for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:43:31 -0800 Received: by mail-yw0-f176.google.com with SMTP id e63so93374804ywc.3 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:43:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=disposition-notification-to:return-receipt-to:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:date :to:message-id; bh=CjBWZiRS9FkJ1PF36CXSB6vkIYlgYD472gQJE03FaWs=; b=04Uof5WkOi1uVgcxYE16yWyK8QMc0rDyx+siEfaCCao4Ff5pVO9a5/jkVIRvJORQNk jTsZKFeVFLvsGAqspK2wP2m0i0unYzuaTmboMYrKGvYYojn/EvfgtdmtPfkGRuj+kFLe iVCTPCOEvsPoEDT9pSz7fD8tbdC8vusMzPprAyvPr0od6OG60t70Md6MsHzsH/BKpJgM Ru9rhZ2bV8jZEnbZGZLyGI0enRLTW97dJzHquoo6tomHGnv1+N9HlOxayj3k6IRr3YAv +JrZFNEfcrisRA6KO5tbWQ/OyJkn9S2licrSZ/folHWeGpv605429XbJ7NoWM2Q9ECTf ToPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:disposition-notification-to:return-receipt-to :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :subject:from:date:to:message-id; bh=CjBWZiRS9FkJ1PF36CXSB6vkIYlgYD472gQJE03FaWs=; b=LD0ovhzwpM4Ve/axVeK1D3Yq+kh1uvQJbcslXQ8NlPYPzsXYucF+UNJHNkYlBwzzXl EAn1zZzvW02GGNCEFebScFsmqti2VyBEu70QF92K7CQK4WUSzBFjNphEaSoMgXctW1XJ aCYBleV+n/bulWmy6c4Vk/4LQhvNBDK1Y/SgEvXn6yEBYkd3rQ2dN8iXH8jr5Qz4hR6j 4s/+OHAB0VKxFQE4cJgF/nl66wLU7WB0fsW+5x92cYG1UNIiNqitIBB1mmd6v2cc/BqC 9J9gYWl4Wm0F4aebSL+yUdedJle9+eZNmTROMQVx3PdhpUrd8vS9N+6gvJJeXQxbZlON OAjA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLcHmCUYsYH89+AkNlHHQgwZNb53UT18QrqK+63HWtmr9mMbUjpMYl80d16rF/YpA== X-Received: by 10.129.135.7 with SMTP id x7mr4299655ywf.95.1456602198476; Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:43:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:1003:b84d:8e2a:8723:9543:52b7:60fe? ([2600:1003:b84d:8e2a:8723:9543:52b7:60fe]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p189sm14656071ywc.9.2016.02.27.11.43.17 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:43:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Karen Stein Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 07:44:40 -0500 To: llg-members@lojban.org Message-ID: <4D74856F-2DE5-4D2D-B748-86FE1EA42ECC@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Demand for depriving Gleki of his administratorship and of official-pretending accounts. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org In response to Guskant's demand that gleki lose control of the wiki and various other things... While I do not have personal knowledge of the various issues presented if I assume her statements are accurate then I believe gleki went overboard. It is important that people new to lojban have materials that are accurate statements about it, LLG, etc. This means that only officially approved materials should be clearly presented as such. This means that materials which are not need to specifically state they are not preferably in an obvious way. As part of this I consider it unconscionable that the statement that ideal behind lojban is unambiguous communication. This was developed with a great deal of thought and discussion by LLG (in some of which I participated). On the other hand gleki has contributed much time and effort to lojbanic outreach and other projects. This means that he should be supported in developing his materials. They just need to be differentiated from official ones. I also hope he continues to work within the Board understanding that Guskant's demands are meant, I think, only to correct some poor decisions on his part. karis On February 27, 2016 3:02:07 AM EST, guskant wrote: >Introduction. > >Dear LLG members, > >This is an open letter of my simple demand. _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members