Received: from localhost ([::1]:35414 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aaMwG-0000lz-Uh; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 04:28:36 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]:33139) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aaMwB-0000l3-Fu for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 04:28:35 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id l68so34465978wml.0 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 04:28:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fZ1Pmn1IcQBABBVrqNiDQttYPslLueZO5Umcp0ck3J8=; b=g6KE3kouO0/ZQDyxNL0NYibR/Db3/dT8btyuITrdm8upLhoeAP5skf9ZGMXFLF+BLj NHl+xHCHEyIYNKq6qtsGkE+0GuXIQWhf5yjLVcdSAd4n+fd7zV/fKg2CVKFLA3Mq4SoP Juwgw3ps1KLZAc31Bm+sedEWdT8yLD4TRqK5ui8jYOC2zFcG7Iam/P7wMktw0+Toj6n4 pnvQBUiR5TVr4gX1m1KsYEPfBG7osvXmMWZ7buRUKffpg0KieQnLYjt+dozy5VGrH3xv /QL/JclDEXBG9GC3kDRR1YtSDzoVEhwoFsFx/pTQcLTH5yuCge9jhQ1Cj09vdWmTBzw0 AT6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=fZ1Pmn1IcQBABBVrqNiDQttYPslLueZO5Umcp0ck3J8=; b=WQSpsau731CCt035ZG34/m4mjoO5N64ST15iRiKG7HpaDDWvBAOKK7TxgB5mxyB8LD I9bTdiyNNniksZbwleApUdtVuCwNIf1JPRYbYEukQloDq8+NqB085HY1sFVsrb5UkFm/ cNdkEpFa/o/NuLUhWKplp4M8k0Q9DqxXi4UqcD0J/TNScXdsVR7iTx4uIv9rR4QW9VgX kwm+7+3ORZA/2HZl3TsqFJgwy+neXr8xKxzVBlgHFTGhTHpf9sgH20kdPuhLcTQ+46gT /KpaGZJUtRgK2fajsYMGVhrHFF/vwlvhmpvEmO2a986BONmk8jr/Hk6kr0rj764aWEwC uUGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKbZKQ/xmv0G09J9i4/oMmRkb1MFckLvT1fsfloUMIvUEqGEZoapQ489fHlqPm4Gj6bXVB6njv8KD2qSA== X-Received: by 10.28.109.150 with SMTP id b22mr12406135wmi.27.1456748904374; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 04:28:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.91.210 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 04:27:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56C1998B.5050005@lojban.org> <82DDFA36-4BF2-44E7-AF8A-8A810E50EE0A@gmail.com> <56CCA114.90203@lojban.org> <56CF474A.4030009@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:27:44 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] LLG Annual Meeting - Board Election X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0584901651689977745==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0584901651689977745== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1147cddcf8e917052ce7c8e3 --001a1147cddcf8e917052ce7c8e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-02-29 14:46 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein : > For those, then, that may be interested I am an intermittent learner of > lojban. I started back in the 90's and early 2000's, reviewed vocabulary > periodically, and started back two or the years ago. I'm not progressing > quickly, but I am working on it. I just have no one to practice with and > the major changes that have occurred have been confusing. > Can you practice it online with others? If yes several months are enough to become a fluent speaker and I can drop the links. > karis > > > On February 28, 2016 9:39:57 AM EST, Craig Daniel > wrote: >> >> I don't think everybody on the board should have to be. I do think that >> the LLG's task is to serve the community of language users, and that if >> it's substantially detached from that community the board will be bad at >> directing that. >> >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016, 2:43 PM Karen Stein wrote: >> >>> I disagree that all members of the Board should be active lojban users. >>> In fact having people invested in the continuance and improvement of this >>> project who are not provides more variety of perspectives. >>> >>> karis >>> >>> >>> On February 25, 2016 10:43:12 PM EST, Craig Daniel < >>> craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the alternative is >>>> failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be to not. I think >>>> the Lojban community would be better served by a board comprised in the >>>> main of active users of the language, and consider literally every LLG >>>> member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year and is >>>> willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat. >>>> >>>> But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and if I'm >>>> necessary, here I stand. >>>> >>>> - mi'e .kreig. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 PM Bob LeChevalier >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2/23/2016 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >>>>> > We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers (lo >>>>> > casnu). >>>>> > >>>>> > We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in >>>>> > corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to >>>>> > someone at some point. At present mukti could possibly do the job in >>>>> > addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against >>>>> that, >>>>> > since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my >>>>> burnout >>>>> > in the 90s. We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person to >>>>> hold >>>>> > multiple offices. (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I had >>>>> to >>>>> > do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond producing >>>>> > annual meeting minutes). We need someone to serve as Vice President, >>>>> > preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had. >>>>> > >>>>> > ---------------------- >>>>> > >>>>> > So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they >>>>> accept my >>>>> > nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or >>>>> nominations. >>>>> > >>>>> > I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, unless >>>>> there >>>>> > is a request for more time. >>>>> >>>>> I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, since >>>>> "Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days. >>>>> >>>>> Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am going to >>>>> keep the deadline open until next Monday. >>>>> >>>>> If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or trying to >>>>> lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have LLG do >>>>> much of anything towards any goals whatsoever. >>>>> >>>>> I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an >>>>> organization once I no longer lead it. I'm not entirely sure that >>>>> enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on trying >>>>> to >>>>> organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to >>>>> communicate and interact. >>>>> >>>>> lojbab >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a1147cddcf8e917052ce7c8e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-02-29 14:46 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com&= gt;:
For those, then, that may be intereste= d I am an intermittent learner of lojban. I started back in the 90's an= d early 2000's, reviewed vocabulary periodically, and started back two = or the years ago. I'm not progressing quickly, but I am working on it. = I just have no one to practice with and the major changes that have occurre= d have been confusing.

Can you pr= actice it online with others? If yes several months are enough to become a = fluent speaker and I can drop the links.



karis


On February = 28, 2016 9:39:57 AM EST, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote: I don't think everybody on the board should have to be. I do think that= the LLG's task is to serve the community of language users, and that i= f it's substantially detached from that community the board will be bad= at directing that.

On S= at, Feb 27, 2016, 2:43 PM=C2=A0Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree that all members of the Board should be = active lojban users. In fact having people invested in the continuance and = improvement of this project who are not provides more variety of perspectiv= es.

karis


On February 25, 2016 10:= 43:12 PM EST, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:

Please note that, like And, I'm willing to serve if the = alternative is failure to elect a viable board, but my preference would be = to not. I think the Lojban community would be better served by a board comp= rised in the main of active users of the language, and consider literally e= very LLG member who had written a full sentence of Lojban in the past year = and is willing to do the job to be a good replacement for my seat.

But I'm not seeing a forest of hands springing up, and i= f I'm necessary, here I stand.

- mi'e .kreig.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016, 1:26 = PM=C2=A0Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
On 2/23/= 2016 1:12 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> We need a Board that has do-ers (lo zukte), and not just talkers (lo > casnu).
>
> We need at least one more person who IS willing to be involved in
> corporation business, because I need to pass the Presidency on to
> someone at some point.=C2=A0 At present mukti could possibly do the jo= b in
> addition to Secretary/Treasurer, but I strongly recommend against that= ,
> since trying to do both jobs at once was a major reason for my burnout=
> in the 90s.=C2=A0 We also would need a Bylaw change to allow a person = to hold
> multiple offices.=C2=A0 (I did not ever hold the Secretary job, but I = had to
> do it because Nora did not have the time above and beyond producing > annual meeting minutes).=C2=A0 We need someone to serve as Vice Presid= ent,
> preferably with more willingness to act than And Rosta has had.
>
> ----------------------
>
> So can I have responses from guskant and gleki on whether they accept = my
> nomination, and can we have some additional volunteers and/or nominati= ons.
>
> I will allow until end of day Monday for additional names, unless ther= e
> is a request for more time.

I was seriously screwed up as to what day of the week it was, since
"Monday" in the last sentence was intended to be after 3 days.
Since the response so far has been rather disheartening, I am going to
keep the deadline open until next Monday.

If we cannot get Board members interested in doing stuff or trying to
lead others to do stuff, we are effectively deciding to NOT have LLG do
much of anything towards any goals whatsoever.

I am becoming seriously discouraged whether LLG can survive as an
organization once I no longer lead it.=C2=A0 I'm not entirely sure that=
enough people care, despite the discussions a few weeks ago on trying to organize activities and means for different Lojban communities to
communicate and interact.

lojbab


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