Received: from localhost ([::1]:41018 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ajSBm-0002gR-D6; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 06:54:10 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f51.google.com ([209.85.213.51]:33925) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ajSBf-0002g9-8q for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 06:54:08 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f51.google.com with SMTP id e185so91881205vkb.1 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 06:54:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=SXBcSRvbEHqqD4MlURmGEoW5E5CsX4sRvx7y3xcj8UA=; b=Ns1ewnDXbs1Ts1kW/eWtDnBzfH345XuJmMn+LTnd61GTXH3ECDfA1W5d9ZZXYY/x2z tSWrgd/qqTuvmC/kTQDr6FUjDD2WEff3n7UnpuD9kcVc/ATi1B6CX0MqDejQnG1JJK0s yEVFHX2ptVUqN79Bu0DKCK8Cc2q1Q5f8oNwNP53jciZGyb3AJh9Htljpl3iNbS6GIKYK 8rYxFMsv7o4mHjFSUhYeCBJkbibbVAFyh8xRk4T+cmdfVC7RdCWw7GlEHIeUtUCiFmrb x8XMlObl+B+AnK2ZWg5w9nEYw5urJMkgIPrmo4nSoJjEY/vfFpSRIWYAj7RmKfggmrYu qtUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=SXBcSRvbEHqqD4MlURmGEoW5E5CsX4sRvx7y3xcj8UA=; b=fuPXW6xITukx6II+SBi7Tb3W/t/DJA1mudFmboRQaoGIEBJ2EH7jw82yn2II9/nfzo YktHFSbNaNjyIUNMgdAltVcvQ8UElB8beUr07IOC6nJ25EqSogUwHqlNHmovLyJnyrSC rVrA//i16JqBCGztyHHTQ2Nl9qeuI6tbGffHV9nKDvSa+XBg2uhv8Tw0dOliFD4exJFt l2U8vcamEpSqwxOgSY0rXKbPPscG4NW7aXT+h0BAiUNSJ9m5QmebS2a7hZ17McquyPDh jN++tQpgBOR0HAPRRjyFUTniE1oq5yHDWTl2Bl48sCRZ6iaseKc19KahxIo4BzT3ypwh 4z9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJKwUqLDWoVF2gNxy0CzOl6CkZrGjwONg7it1K8/iuiwuPRFB3l0pmZAZTj2lHRd8DNg2XOJVyKPdn64g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.176.0.20 with SMTP id 20mr7296290uai.17.1458914036903; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 06:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.38.135 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 06:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.38.135 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 06:53:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8BCCD0E2-E6D4-4687-9D89-D177E69E1259@gmail.com> <56DE1D83.8050901@lojban.org> <8EC7FC36-8C8F-43FD-AE6A-C704D1D9C2CE@gmail.com> <12678381.nPyR9sEY1K@caracal> <56E0AE11.8020708@lojban.org> <56E1F54E.3040501@lojban.org> <56EF1C47.6060900@lojban.org> <56F467BF.9060405@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:53:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: Curtis Franks To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting - Old Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2156287983285390045==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2156287983285390045== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d0f32ed744e052edfe4d5 --001a113d0f32ed744e052edfe4d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I used the words "a" instead of "the" in order to avoid semantic confusion and/or claims to uniqueness and/or restrictions in scope of meaning. The abbreviations are what you think they are and mean what you think that they mean, which I assume to be defined elsewhere. "BPFK" means "baupla fuzykamni" which references Lojban language planning committees, which I assume have been described elsewhere and have some mechanism for formal establishment. "CLL" means "complete Lojban language [description/prescription (guide instructions)]"; it is any collection of documents which are given the authority of describing or prescribing some and possibly all aspects of the workings of the Lojban language in some or all of its forms/versions; I assume that this has been described elsewhere and has mechanisms for establishment elsewhere. Relatedly, although not necessarily equivalently, an LLG and/or a BPFK may decide that some subset of Lojban should be standardized in some way; when this happens, the last condition is satisfied; (for the purpose of future commentaries: this statement is not meant to be restrictive). It really was just me extracting the wording from lojbab's statement for its necessary conditions. So, if you think that these are ill-defined, then you cannot understand what he said. Otherwise, I am not sure what is unclear about it. On Mar 25, 2016 08:50, "And Rosta" wrote: > I would rather the motion was reworded into clearer language. Despite it > being presented as being for clarity, it isn't clear. "Whensoever a BPFK > exists, whensoever a CLL exists, and whensoever a Lojban language is to > have any defining standards in whole or in part,"??? > > So I deffo oppose it in its current wording. I hesitate to comment on the > intended import, because I'm not sure I've understood what the intended > import is. > > And > On 25 Mar 2016 09:42, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-03-25 5:13 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : >> >>> > I think that it can be safely understood that the BYFY is charged with >>> maintaining CLL as the defining standard for the language as a whole and >>> its grammar. >>> >>> In order for clarity, I hereby move that: Whensoever a BPFK exists, >>> whensoever a CLL exists, and whensoever a Lojban language is to have any >>> defining standards in whole or in part, then the BPFK is charged with >>> maintaining the CLL as the defining standard(s) for the language or any of >>> its versions as a whole or in part, including but not limited to its >>> grammar. The BPFK is to have the authority necessary for the achieving of >>> these goals, as determined and prescribed solely by this body (the LLG). >>> This motion is not intended to make assertions as to the merits or >>> implementation of the existence or practice of any of these conditions; it >>> merely defines one of possibly many roles (for) which any organization >>> which is to act as a BPFK will be responsible in fulfilling and conducting >>> - as well as the implicit establishment of minimal powers associated with >>> its acting in that capacity. >>> >>> Furthermore, I move that: Under the same conditions, the BPFK is the >>> unique organization so charged and endowed with the authority pursuant to >>> these goals. >>> >> >> I second that. >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a113d0f32ed744e052edfe4d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I used the words "a" instead of "the" in= order to avoid semantic confusion and/or claims to uniqueness and/or restr= ictions in scope of meaning.

The abbreviations are what you think they are and mean what = you think that they mean, which I assume to be defined elsewhere. "BPF= K" means "baupla fuzykamni" which references Lojban language= planning committees, which I assume have been described elsewhere and have= some mechanism for formal establishment. "CLL" means "compl= ete Lojban language [description/prescription (guide instructions)]"; = it is any collection of documents which are given the authority of describi= ng or prescribing some and possibly all aspects of the workings of the Lojb= an language in some or all of its forms/versions; I assume that this has be= en described elsewhere and has mechanisms for establishment elsewhere. Rela= tedly, although not necessarily equivalently, an LLG and/or a BPFK may deci= de that some subset of Lojban should be standardized in some way; when this= happens, the last condition is satisfied; (for the purpose of future comme= ntaries: this statement is not meant to be restrictive). It really was just= me extracting the wording from lojbab's statement for its necessary co= nditions. So, if you think that these are ill-defined, then you cannot unde= rstand what he said. Otherwise, I am not sure what is unclear about it.

On Mar 25, 2016 08:50, "And Rosta" <= ;and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:<= br type=3D"attribution">

I wou= ld rather the motion was reworded into clearer language. Despite it being p= resented as being for clarity, it isn't clear. "Whensoever a BPFK = exists, whensoever a CLL exists, and whensoever a Lojban language is to hav= e any defining standards in whole or in part,"???

So I deffo oppose it in its current wording. I hesitate to c= omment on the intended import, because I'm not sure I've understood= what the intended import is.

And

On 25 Mar 2016 09:42, "Gleki Arxokuna"= <gleki.= is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-03-25 5:13 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curti= s.w.franks@gmail.com>:

> I think that it can be safely understood that the BYF= Y is charged with maintaining CLL as the defining standard for the language= as a whole and its grammar.

In order for clarity, I hereby move that: Whensoever = a BPFK exists, whensoever a CLL exists, and whensoever a Lojban language is= to have any defining standards in whole or in part, then the BPFK is charg= ed with maintaining the CLL as the defining standard(s) for the language or= any of its versions as a whole or in part, including but not limited to it= s grammar. The BPFK is to have the authority necessary for the achieving of= these goals, as determined and prescribed solely by this body (the LLG). T= his motion is not intended to make assertions as to the merits or implement= ation of the existence or practice of any of these conditions; it merely de= fines one of possibly many roles (for) which any organization which is to a= ct as a BPFK will be responsible in fulfilling and conducting - as well as = the implicit establishment of minimal powers associated with its acting in = that capacity.

Furthermore, I move that: Under the same conditions, the BPF= K is the unique organization so charged and endowed with the authority purs= uant to these goals.


I second that.


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