Received: from localhost ([::1]:45198 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aryP8-0006s5-28; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:55:10 -0700 Received: from mail-io0-f182.google.com ([209.85.223.182]:35668) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aryP1-0006rt-O6 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:55:08 -0700 Received: by mail-io0-f182.google.com with SMTP id g185so182490021ioa.2 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:55:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZLGsiZoQjqah++8IMIEozGJpilO2uZA75ao/rz/vf1M=; b=MwDNVGAZEqhtp1TSaVQYB8j5uOpSL9DbxvogWwMLiu9qOr5LgFsWq6U0pJ9OxiInFP cd7u1tSxTFR4XBQtqTUwzp6INIUfalkjbgg6ZtEEkcISbSnQIvxJoZr2NuLZsu5lAXkx HYbhMKVenlcXOQsXf4EA0CeYV6kxE7wQhrtoF6SXHrYwqtEizMZfdYnJDGN4CxjuIqLL PWjygZLM9Ur9PAZ2h0ap7ufcWryuwIHkiHgJAPn9/xMRLJiKc7q3Id699k+MrdWYcR3v b/z8GVSfp4Mv//cPHfc1H86UydmLv6QuVkB6uC2N6O2VToOLhtG9FE8uWEvovVCInhjP 9j/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZLGsiZoQjqah++8IMIEozGJpilO2uZA75ao/rz/vf1M=; b=OAU623ePCC5uy4KjFOwYFxtzu3pleoEVRj1rGCjkE8bDoRUvYO8qWB2THBXRjVfNdj YFJrTLzKM1qwWJtvpngBNhnsO+Z8jZdVProbjWESF3Nnrjjnat+stCcBTZONw+0lOx8e 3giC5D0Gi8NT5/srIocu4RaKo0qzXG7yNo22dQbc8VHnrJ+wIUpDEG8dje5znTDvO8jc uOJj8MbAJG+8fUYWo1XRMQjnCcjB1hKD6Ti1DXqfdG9J4PnE8OwsmfZIcr/3hT2Vz4zP 1xyOd0+7uoPaZdnvEE8tx+P5cZBqtrembxi18X3AVnLM1/m9l4TTUJzMfcbH7Gbnc5IN Lzqw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUiFPUseFuq0L54m3lmO5BlrNP6+c1B97BciLsms3w0TmqgTILkocP+okwE7TCEgS5Xemeb9+6sMgI11g== X-Received: by 10.107.159.137 with SMTP id i131mr31623537ioe.29.1460944497747; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:54:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.25.68 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:54:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50A08C82-B160-4ADB-B5D9-D2FBB307C32E@gmail.com> References: <571271C9.7050002@lojban.org> <50A08C82-B160-4ADB-B5D9-D2FBB307C32E@gmail.com> From: guskant Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 01:54:38 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual meeting: New Business, anyone? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org 2016-04-18 1:20 GMT+00:00 Karen Stein : > > > I would like to first respond to Guskant's comments, as follows : > > >>As Bob could not identify the motion among my complaints, maybe I had >>better make clear to the secretary what to record in the minutes. I >>herewith make a summary of the motion I raised: >> >>1. making a response to the open letter >>http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/ >>; >> >>2. putting the official website under control of LLG and creating the >>website policies; >> >>3. depriving Gleki of his administratorship on the official website >>(as written in the open letter, not only the mediawiki engine but >>also any tools on Vrici server); >> >>4. asserting on the official website that the official body does not >>have any account of Twitter, or reporting the abuse of >>official-pretending account to Twitter. >> > > > I specifically want to comment on point number 2. I fully agree with this, therefore... > > I move that full control over the official web pages known as the Logical Language Group Web Page be placed under the jurisdiction of the official membership of said group, also known as LLG. This body will designate who does and who does not have authority to make changes to these pages. Decisions of the Logical Language Group Board will be considered as decisions of said membership when the membership has not made such determination and the board determines that such a decision cannot wait for the next scheduled membership meeting. > > karis > I second (or fourth? zo'o) the motion, and ki'esai la karis noi sarji lo pa pinka be fi mi 2016-04-18 1:28 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks : > I am fine with developing enforceable rules for the management, production, > advertisement, and presentation of Lojbanic material on certain machines > and/or examples of various media (such as officially adopted websites). But > unless Gleki has clearly violated rules that are already established, I > believe that he should not be punished for his actions in any official > and/or restrictive capacity. We cannot hold him to account against rules > that do not yet exist. Any developed rules should not apply ex post facto, > either. If he conducts future infractions against any rules which are by > then established, then he may be punished accordingly, as prescribed by the > rule only (or, I suppose, less). In the meantime, we can issue an unofficial > and more personal chastisement for specific examples of conduct if we as a > body so desire, but really the discussion and developed rules should be > sufficient for this purpose as well. My motion and complaints don't mention punishing Gleki for his abuse of administratorship. I only required depriving Gleki of the administratorship and selecting an administrator in a reasonable way. If the official body select again Gleki as an administrator among some possibilities of Mukti, Durka42, Ali or others, it will be regretful to me because of Gleki's dishonesty like concealing pieces of evidence on discussion, but I should accept the decision. mi'e la guskant _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members