Received: from localhost ([::1]:32895 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1atHok-000460-LE; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:51:02 -0700 Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com ([209.85.217.179]:33298) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1atHoe-00045k-L0 for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:51:00 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id u8so30390911lbk.0 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=DjeZqxy50eP2ForSd4sadklC9lUhVJY1Y91Ld2YpwaM=; b=XdI8fKNWMSGkxGHsic7kj+tkXfMOC0Tbf+vrFutQIyhfehSjN8dbPpMZIc2I0fyBog rsfZjsPzd2uIqvt0h2lx3HyFF3kOwQcKGh5hxMMXAX/eLkYcMFwRRj+/SpFawWgBI3sX 0miOtrNkqhs5bWf4X7wdOQNQmmJom9/ZTS5CbhVKYXKJx1IKWmK49P8KlhghS8SD4ffm Oh7d9pBjyfv99OP912euloqwaUuFBcnOYQdjuDcvxjgYgX0okgChtWpd/nqtE22p5B1R nneccYeIPGcXYfittHRSH0ggI5dvFyigZQF2R9tXOcsNgO9Yxi3T8F5dZ/XZdygLLL2G KkUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=DjeZqxy50eP2ForSd4sadklC9lUhVJY1Y91Ld2YpwaM=; b=ERWlSZrTdLFGCw/+hsieh2umZ+Dj0wd3EnXRrTELTl2DxEOIeUYgCZvUSH3YAYH00w HSlE4gflg5aZTusdjH6pn17QwajAacSfxG+pYfhqe2R5J7JgL/v+9illOnysj3FF8wRc 3JFwDSHJZBgUmfABL8V6ZtNOmcIBz5bnPhGfNOqop0qeORgUv/fm+/CDlUo8YF0YCuWH fy+ACIL8+JIoC3urKyjmwLJmfXpzKzYWTmRkuCFPm5Rfi/ujraHcgyl6NE5RMdRPRv5K fKXh1qgcb2MwEBFKtadbRr63L17UvNR3ygiXupJHAXH7iGC5OMrhLXBznsQwnE2L6bJd mZXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVRxFkaedI5iqm4pEWDN68wU45lwbtJJw7Co+a0uqzpRVX2iv8ARkg4PdIkzwqY6yYEAM28gJg2QE0n3Q== X-Received: by 10.112.73.72 with SMTP id j8mr7052827lbv.143.1461257449584; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:50:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.144.229 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:50:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571271C9.7050002@lojban.org> <1533522.sVHHld6LrL@caracal> <0748C06D-7DE6-4F31-BB71-58215BF60729@gmail.com> <5718BD2E.1040003@selpahi.de> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:50:09 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual meeting: NB-Website_Jurisdiction X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6372542633371608500==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6372542633371608500== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c25c98353f9c0531018312 --001a11c25c98353f9c0531018312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-04-21 19:41 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > The whole point of a wiki is free collaboration, so I agree that it would > be bad for the community to block access to most people. But some sort of > supervision should be enforced, if we take raised concerns seriously. So, > we are going to need to strike some sort of balance or heirarchy. > I agree with that. For many years I complained that nobody was hellping me with the wiki. So a person (other than me and Robin) should be elected to provide these duties. Her/his e-mail address should be given read-only access to thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.com so that she/she starts receiving account requests. The duty of this person should be within several days (the sooner the better) approve account requests, delete results of spammer's intrusions if they neverthless happen and fulfil users' requests. If not possible then this person must report problems to the lojban mailing list of LLG mailing list so that other members can make suggestions. In fact over the last years first one person got involved with the wiki (Robin), then another person with Robin retaining only server-side duties. This must change. Your concerns are practical and I think that we should address them. > On Apr 21, 2016 10:26, "Gleki Arxokuna" > wrote: > > > > 2016-04-21 14:48 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > >> >> >> 2016-04-21 14:44 GMT+03:00 selpahi : >> >>> On 21.04.2016 06:04, Curtis Franks wrote: >>> >>>> Consequently, I retract my motion. >>>> >>> >>> Good, because it was going way overboard. Installing a *police* to >>> "execute" laws on a wiki of a volunteer-driven community? Also, I *highly* >>> doubt Robin is in the least bit interested in doing anything even remotely >>> related to what you suggested. >>> >>> If everyone is in favor of putting certain pages under LLG's control >>> then that should be easy to do, and should not require a crazy set of rules >>> of the kind suggested. >>> >>> If everyone is in favor of gleki no longer having access to certain >>> twitter accounts or parts of lojban.org's server, those things can be >>> put to the vote, and gleki has indicated that he will obey the decision of >>> the membership. >>> >>> But please, let's keep things practical. >>> >> >> Partially relevant to this. I'm a bit concerned that no one but me has >> been adding new members to the wiki. >> People make requests but no one seems to be seeing them. >> >> I hope la mukti will reply and add read-only access to >> thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.com to more people so that they get >> notifications for each new account request pending. >> > > > So please discuss and decide who will be accepting new member into the > wiki, blocking them, renaming their accounts on request. > > I highly doubt Robin can agree to quickly do such things again as he used > to do. > > By the way, I just accepted one more member into the wiki. It'd be > extremely strange to stop people from entering the wiki. > Blocking any activity of users will certainly mean that the language is > forced to die. > > I don't care who manages the wiki. > > I would be happy if someone else but me started doing so. > But someone must. > > > >> >> >>> >>> ~~~mi'e la selpa'i >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a11c25c98353f9c0531018312 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-04-21 19:41 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gma= il.com>:

The= whole point of a wiki is free collaboration, so I agree that it would be b= ad for the community to block access to most people. But some sort of super= vision should be enforced, if we take raised concerns seriously. So, we are= going to need to strike some sort of balance or heirarchy.


I agree with that. For many years I complained that no= body was hellping me with the wiki.

So a person (o= ther than me and Robin) should be elected to provide these duties.

Her/his e-mail address should be given read-only access to= thelogicallanguagegro= up@gmail.com so that she/she starts receiving account requests.

The duty of this person should be within several days (th= e sooner the better) approve account requests, delete results of spammer= 9;s intrusions if they neverthless happen and fulfil users' requests. I= f not possible then this person must report problems to the lojban mailing = list of LLG mailing list so that other members can make suggestions.
<= div>
In fact over the last years first one person got involve= d with the wiki (Robin), then another person with Robin retaining only serv= er-side duties. This must change.

Your concerns are practical and I think that we should addre= ss them.

On Apr 21, 2016 10:26, "Gleki Arxokuna"= ; <gleki= .is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


<= div>2016-04-21 14:48 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com>:


2016-0= 4-21 14:44 GMT+03:00 selpahi <selpahi@selpahi.de>:
On 21.04.2016 06:04, Curtis Franks wrote:=
Consequently, I retract my motion.

 Good, because it was going way overboard. Installing a *police* to "ex= ecute" laws on a wiki of a volunteer-driven community? Also, I *highly= * doubt Robin is in the least bit interested in doing anything even remotel= y related to what you suggested.

If everyone is in favor of putting certain pages under LLG's control th= en that should be easy to do, and should not require a crazy set of rules o= f the kind suggested.

If everyone is in favor of gleki no longer having access to certain twitter= accounts or parts of lojban.org's server, those things can be put to the v= ote, and gleki has indicated that he will obey the decision of the membersh= ip.

But please, let's keep things practical.

Partially relevant to this. I'm a bit concerned that no on= e but me has been adding new members to the wiki.
People make req= uests but no one seems to be seeing them.

I hope l= a mukti will reply and add read-only access to thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.co= m to more people so that they get notifications for each new account re= quest pending.


=
So please discuss =C2=A0and decide who will be accepting n= ew member into the wiki, blocking them, renaming their accounts on request.=

I highly doubt Robin can agree to quickly do such= things again as he used to do.

By the way, I = just accepted one more member into the wiki. It'd be extremely strange = to stop people from entering the wiki.
Blocking any activity of u= sers will certainly mean that the language is forced to die.

=
I don't care who manages the wiki.

= I would be happy if someone else but me started doing so.
But som= eone must.



=C2=A0

~~~mi'e la selpa'i



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