Received: from localhost ([::1]:33866 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1atL72-0001v0-3M; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:22:08 -0700 Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net ([68.230.241.216]:56139) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1atL6w-0001ut-6I for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:22:06 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20160421202156.IJNB18342.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net> for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:21:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.244.98]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with cox id l8Mv1s00P2869s8018MvT7; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:21:56 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.57193664.0032, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=LPboQfm9 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:117 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=B7YcDYeUgDLqyiN_aO0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=Y3rQx6OoGZoA:10 a=ZsS5qGzvjpUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none To: llg-members@lojban.org References: <571271C9.7050002@lojban.org> <1533522.sVHHld6LrL@caracal> <0748C06D-7DE6-4F31-BB71-58215BF60729@gmail.com> <5718BD2E.1040003@selpahi.de> From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" Organization: The Logical Language Group, Inc. Message-ID: <5719366B.7010300@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:22:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual meeting: NB-Website_Jurisdiction X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On 4/21/2016 7:48 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Partially relevant to this. I'm a bit concerned that no one but me has > been adding new members to the wiki. > People make requests but no one seems to be seeing them. I think that a lot of the problem is that Robin, although he has total power, has delegated aspects of that power to all sorts of people, but possibly no one but him has any idea who those people are. I personally have no authorities that I know of; I wouldn't know how to add people to the wiki even if I saw a request, (I don't even see the requests which means that they don't go to lojban@lojban.org). I'm not even sure that I have "membership" in the wiki, whatever that entails; I haven't modified anything on a wiki system since two or three wiki systems ago. It is possible that no one besides you even has a possibility of seeing them. > I hope la mukti will reply and add read-only access to > thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.com > to more people so that they > get notifications for each new account request pending. How would someone know to send an email there? The official email address for LLG is lojban@lojban.org, which is read by several people. I presume that Robin also has a webmaster@lojban.org, but I don't know who that goes to. (I think that there is also a president@lojban.org and a secretary@lojban.org, but I doubt that anyone knows them or uses them) What *may* be the situation is that you rebuilt the wiki in its current form (I think I recall that you were doing so), and that Robin then switched the LLG home page to it from the prior wiki system (and may or may not have deleted the old system), which is why guskant sees it as being in "your" directory - that is where you built it. So you ended up as the sole "administrator" (other than Robin) because no one else has any idea what being administrator means (except guskant) Meanwhile, I know that Robin has distributed administrator functions to various people so as to keep the system up even if he goes incommunicado. I don't know who he has distributed that authority to and/or whether they have access to your directory/the wiki. It seems clear that someone should know where all the keys to the kingdom are, and to whom those keys have been distributed, and that someone should probably be an LLG officer, probably mukti. This is really just part of the slow and continuing process of transitioning away from Robin, who previously held that job, and never established a clear boundary of responsibility between his official position and his position as webmaster/machine-owner. lojbab _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members