Received: from localhost ([::1]:51076 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1av6ZD-0004D8-6q; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:14:31 -0700 Received: from mail-lf0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43]:36036) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1av6Z6-0004Ct-Tg for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:14:29 -0700 Received: by mail-lf0-f43.google.com with SMTP id u64so23570801lff.3 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:14:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jcU1i5Le7nFFYkcodemH88j90M/f4H2/FcowOIpyuts=; b=b/6NyaBQWx+5h4PLKclxDZ7D9b5rv+vqcAkwoFCKRws+lYGOcu1bbfu24kqs2Uoohe Euu+DJme7n7Amb52kyQtp8lHN/B5E+9GxDfwnPSz/7JHZc+k4rdv/Wp8PogVjbhD3dmC /PzZQSsLLZkC6P6JaENXMXTV3XJv0+6sXrrCeVP1Aw+QvoGCHWONxRDrWzHQH8h61T3n 8KHjUVVoNWU91vgAlBTBq9z725cdjs7nWtg5uElMaxXobjoLOhuyE5W5Wt1btpJ1UG8G AzXgrMJnYTOiGlXPtU9LznrYIVoLkz3CIeFeb+kGeGJx8n/jHilyxnK9qfjeccUKUT2O BPgQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=jcU1i5Le7nFFYkcodemH88j90M/f4H2/FcowOIpyuts=; b=HiRmOC/XX4I44+hvmIWLGpDyJL+1AfL61If8hPLYrjD9fElLra+J5PLlayD1C/jtxw oHqUM4kQ0m9B0ux7jXnT8JrbjPsk5LCS8tH/K7VBKx5eLgWVm0Z7oX9TNDVHYvHde21C 5pdjXY2tPGpqQIkseiRA9SfXutA3WypncutLX4UpruSjUyfuc3LsPROQ2ERwkjhVNd6y gJT1eGTZBOuyUJG4hwY4cazIDFEjOQ1YU5kAke9CWrUvtE5AQnjVPrnCaZwCeru/hc0J ou0YPoyqIqi66VHtuoA6UpnbYNlaTxKJdFW1qQanGP6Z3MqZqd8HGNVRKPKeYAfwGEts obQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWwmdogda4HHJ60j19mUpf6f5IL616LESMFUo8lDeY/LYkmrsROlbNcfkJez6hV81Um9WZfP+hht6rwqg== X-Received: by 10.112.73.72 with SMTP id j8mr1811496lbv.143.1461690857760; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:14:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.144.229 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:13:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2A767C1B-DA0E-49F5-931C-1F61D5ECDD86@gmail.com> References: <571EA53F.6040906@lojban.org> <2A767C1B-DA0E-49F5-931C-1F61D5ECDD86@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:13:38 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Community Manager position? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1140279742734003958==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1140279742734003958== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c25c985949670531666c55 --001a11c25c985949670531666c55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-04-26 20:08 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein : > Done this way excludes some people from the possibility of participating > during the discussion. > It certainly does not. IRC won't replace the meeting this way. Only shrink the time needed for other members to form a position. > If they have to wait until the discussion has been basically been > completed on IRC before being able to participate them their comments will > not hold the same weight. > Your weight as a member of LLG is the same as of others. As one of the people probably in this position I will say I would be less > invested and feel less like being involved in the meetings. In this case I > believe that going with the slower, more inclusive methods of discussion is > necessary. > > .karis. > > On April 26, 2016 2:34:48 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-04-26 2:16 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < >> lojbab@lojban.org>: >> >>> On 4/25/2016 2:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2016-04-24 22:08 GMT+03:00 Riley Lynch >>> >: >>>> >>>> We have had international IRC sessions before, so I don't see the >>>> challenges of scheduling as prohibitive. >>>> >>>> >>>> And exactly what happened last time is that < 100% of members found the >>>> designated time uncomfortable. >>>> >>> >>> If we are talking about LLG member meetings, when last this was done, >>> Nick Nicolas in Australia was the person with the most difficult >>> participation >> >> >> I was talking about out last meeting where discussions were partially >> held in IRC. >> The same can be done this time. >> I simply suggest that when possible we should not discuss anything here >> but instead in IRC where we form a common position. >> Someone posts a resume of IRC meetings here and what we do in this >> mailing list is just confirm our position and correct the resume. >> This will save a lot of time. >> Other members not participating in IRC part of the meeting can continue >> using this mailing list for any discussions. Since such people won't be >> numerous they won't make the meeting much longer. >> >> >> >> >>> , and he was more flexible than most people could be. Other than him, >>> the time zones ranged from the US Pacific coast to central Europe, I think >>> a 9 hour range. Nowadays, we have Ali in Pakistan (+12), gleki in Russia >>> (+10), and guskant in Japan (+16), all outside of that 9 hour range (plus >>> numbers are hours relative to Pacific Daylight time. >>> >> >> Yeah, so e.g. we could cut out from IRC meetings gleki and Ali since they >> stand apart from other people in terms of timezones. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > -- Karen Stein -- > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a11c25c985949670531666c55 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-04-26 20:08 GMT+03:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com&= gt;:
Done this way excludes s= ome people from the possibility of participating during the discussion.

It certainly does not. IRC won't rep= lace the meeting this way. Only shrink the time needed for other members to= form a position.

=C2=A0
If they have to wait until the discussion has been basical= ly been completed on IRC before being able to participate them their commen= ts will not hold the same weight.

You= r weight as a member of LLG is the same as of others.

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
As one of the people probably in this p= osition I will say I would be less invested and feel less like being involv= ed in the meetings. In this case I believe that going with the slower, more= inclusive methods of discussion is necessary.

.karis.

On April 2= 6, 2016 2:34:48 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-04-26 2:16 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG = <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 4/25/2016 = 2:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:


2016-04-24 22:08 GMT+03:00 Riley Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com
 <mailto:shunpik= er@gmail.com>>:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We have had international IRC sessions before, so I don't= see the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 challenges of scheduling as prohibitive.


And exactly what happened last time is that < 100% of members found the<= br> designated time uncomfortable.

If we are talking about LLG member meetings, when last this was done, Nick = Nicolas in Australia was the person with the most difficult participation

I was talking about out last meeting where d= iscussions were partially held in IRC.
The same can be done this = time.=C2=A0
I simply suggest that when possible we should not dis= cuss anything here but instead in IRC where we form a common position.
Someone posts a resume of IRC meetings here and what we do in this ma= iling list is just confirm our position and correct the resume.
T= his will save a lot of time.
Other members not participating in I= RC part of the meeting can continue using this mailing list for any discuss= ions. Since such people won't be numerous they won't make the meeti= ng much longer.


=C2=A0
, and he was more flexible than most people could be. Other than = him, the time zones ranged from the US Pacific coast to central Europe, I t= hink a 9 hour range.=C2=A0 Nowadays, we have Ali in Pakistan (+12), gleki i= n Russia (+10), and guskant in Japan (+16), all outside of that 9 hour rang= e (plus numbers are hours relative to Pacific Daylight time.

Yeah, so e.g. we could cut out from IRC meetings glek= i and Ali since they stand apart from other people in terms of timezones.


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