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([2600:1003:b863:c9e7:11b5:788b:95cd:4142]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i188sm7326076ywc.19.2016.04.29.05.48.49 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 05:48:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571EA53F.6040906@lojban.org> <2A767C1B-DA0E-49F5-931C-1F61D5ECDD86@gmail.com> <15C48E81-1622-494E-B351-F5EA656D38F7@gmail.com> <57229E88.2090703@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Karen Stein Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:48:46 -0400 To: llg-members@lojban.org Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motion Re: lojbab health update X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3457555212093550949==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3457555212093550949== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----XTFFW1O8SZGS270UZC3QORECPQQJMN" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------XTFFW1O8SZGS270UZC3QORECPQQJMN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I definitely agree, though I'd add Nora LeChevalier to the short list of honorees. Though much of her work has been behind the scenes, it has been vital to the development of the language, associated software, and the LLG. That's for later. At the moment we are speaking of lojbab. As far as this goes I agree with And. .karis. On April 29, 2016 8:28:56 AM EDT, And Rosta wrote: >In board discussion prior to the meeting I had proposed something more >formal to honour Lojbab, like John Cowan's Archgrammarian title, but >Gleki >was a bit arsey about the details, and I didn't want what would be >intended >to be an honorificating gesture to be spoilt by petty disagreement over >it >at the members meeting, so I decided not to propose it; and for that >same >reason I'm wondering if I should have desisted from writing this >message. >But I do think that this year the LLG should acknowledge in some >publicly >visible and permanent form the vital role Lojbab has had in achieving >his >goal of bringing about a state of affairs in which Lojban Loglan is the >language of an actual speech community. > >Personally I wish Lojbab's goal had been different (namely, more like >mine), and I regret that his success in achieving his goal has made >achieving the more valuable goal more difficult, but I still admire his >30 >years of dogged determination (--many of them dogged by my not quite so >dogged dissent), and I think that the LLG can truthfully acknowledge >that >without it the Lojban community would not exist today in any form that >we >would recognize. > >Of course, not only Lojbab has been so vital and necessary: John Cowan, >Robin Lee Powell, and Xorxes also come to mind. But John has already >been >deservedly honoured, and no doubt similar will follow for Robin and >Xorxes >in due course. > >--And. >On 29 Apr 2016 01:36, "Craig Daniel" wrote: > >> I'm not sure to what extent this is in order in a body run by >Roberts, but >> I'm active with groups that use (for religious reasons) an >idiosyncratic >> set of procedures wherein the "minute of appreciation" is common. >> >> I move that the LLG formally recognize its appreciation for Lojbab's >> continued service even despite the rather intense obstacles that have >stood >> in the way. >> >> - mi'e kreig >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, 8:26 PM Curtis Franks > >> wrote: >> >>> That is great to learn! My best wishes to you. >>> On Apr 28, 2016 19:36, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - >LLG" < >>> lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Some moderately good news, significant enough to let you-all know. >>>> >>>> I just got my sleep apnea machine, which might greatly relieve the >lack >>>> of sufficient sleep I've had for many months, and in turn easing >other >>>> symptoms. The pump doesn't completely eliminate the problem, but >greatly >>>> reduces it. >>>> >>>> My other symptoms, which indicated a heart condition, have also >greatly >>>> improved, in part because I lost 10-15 lbs. Of course I could >stand to >>>> lose 250 more pounds in order to be truly healthy, but it is a >start. >>>> >>>> lojbab >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Llg-members mailing list >Llg-members@lojban.org >http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members -- Karen Stein -- ------XTFFW1O8SZGS270UZC3QORECPQQJMN Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I definitely agree, though I'd add Nora LeChevalier to the short list of honorees. Though much of her work has been behind the scenes, it has been vital to the development of the language, associated software, and the LLG.

That's for later. At the moment we are speaking of lojbab. As far as this goes I agree with And.

.karis.

On April 29, 2016 8:28:56 AM EDT, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

In board discussion prior to the meeting I had proposed something more formal to honour Lojbab, like John Cowan's Archgrammarian title, but Gleki was a bit arsey about the details, and I didn't want what would be intended to be an honorificating gesture to be spoilt by petty disagreement over it at the members meeting, so I decided not to propose it; and for that same reason I'm wondering if I should have desisted from writing this message.  But I do think that this year the LLG should acknowledge in some publicly visible and permanent form the vital role Lojbab has had in achieving his goal of bringing about a state of affairs in which Lojban Loglan is the language of an actual speech community.

Personally I wish Lojbab's goal had been different (namely, more like mine), and I regret that his success in achieving his goal has made achieving the more valuable goal more difficult, but I still admire his 30 years of dogged determination (--many of them dogged by my not quite so dogged dissent), and I think that the LLG can truthfully acknowledge that without it the Lojban community would not exist today in any form that we would recognize.

Of course, not only Lojbab has been so vital and necessary: John Cowan, Robin Lee Powell, and Xorxes also come to mind. But John has already been deservedly honoured, and no doubt similar will follow for Robin and Xorxes in due course.

--And.

On 29 Apr 2016 01:36, "Craig Daniel" <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure to what extent this is in order in a body run by Roberts, but I'm active with groups that use (for religious reasons) an idiosyncratic set of procedures wherein the "minute of appreciation" is common.

I move that the LLG formally recognize its appreciation for Lojbab's continued service even despite the rather intense obstacles that have stood in the way.

 - mi'e kreig

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, 8:26 PM Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:

That is great to learn! My best wishes to you.

On Apr 28, 2016 19:36, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Some moderately good news, significant enough to let you-all know.

I just got my sleep apnea machine, which might greatly relieve the lack of sufficient sleep I've had for many months, and in turn easing other symptoms.  The pump doesn't completely eliminate the problem, but greatly reduces it.

My other symptoms, which indicated a heart condition, have also greatly improved, in part because I lost 10-15 lbs.  Of course I could stand to lose 250 more pounds in order to be truly healthy, but it is a start.

lojbab

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