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([2601:5c0:c000:5293:2cda:ace7:ba43:1785]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k40sm15439050qtf.27.2017.04.25.09.10.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Apr 2017 09:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:55:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5966e78d-0e2f-bf8e-c019-1686671bb7d3@lojban.org> References: <0457f7fe-dfd2-2ef6-9402-00d1dd15b239@lojban.org> <5966e78d-0e2f-bf8e-c019-1686671bb7d3@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org From: Karen Stein Message-ID: <78259B26-D0FF-406A-9700-6A3B14ADBF4E@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.2 X-Spam_score_int: -21 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Adjourn? was Re: Request for clarification X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2397788786942743826==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2397788786942743826== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----A4WAHQGXBF2451TGIJAZAZYE8Q8XC8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------A4WAHQGXBF2451TGIJAZAZYE8Q8XC8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I move to adjourn the current meeting=2E=20 I also suggest that the 2017 meeting have June 1 as the date to have items= for the agenda, and discussion start on June 2=2E I picked these dates for= two reasons: since Summer (Northern Hemisphere) is a time many take vacati= ons and may have more time to participate, and also in order that the 2017 = meeting end before the November-December holiday season=2E =2Ekaris=2E On April 25, 2017 7:38:27 AM EDT, Bob LeChevalier wr= ote: >On 4/23/2017 7:16 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >> The short answer is that I don't know exactly what we are doing=2E=20 >Unless >> the members wish to decide now, it will be up to the Board, strongly >> affected by whoever is President and therefore running the meeting=2E >> >> While what I described was different from the above, I think I >> assimilated parts of it, to wit: >>> Riley originally proposed, >>> "I would strongly prefer that we adopt a format like the Language >>> Creation Society: We fix the agenda for the meeting beforehand, >> =2E=2E=2E=2E >> gleki: >>> "conduct meetings in IRC PARTIALLY =2E=2E=2E presenting transcripts >> >> with the partial solution to the problem of non-inclusiveness to be >that >> we conduct the discussion in IRC and on this mailing list IN ADVANCE >OF >> THE MEETING, which is in keeping with having the agenda fixed in >advance=2E >> >> The point being that people don't need to wait until the next meeting >to >> discuss issues informally, thereby coming to a consensus motion that >> would need only a pro-forma vote during the meeting=2E >> >> At this point, I am easy to please, because we've had 2 years of what >I >> consider to be near-total failures to hold a real meeting=2E A meeting >> that takes months, for which half of the people who are nominally >> present aren't paying enough attention to cast their Board vote >within a >> week of the call for votes, can hardly be worse than any of the >options >> referred to above=2E (I admit my own weakness of leadership as being >> partly at fault, but I didn't see any sign of people preferring >> something different to what I was and wasn't doing=2E) > >Assuming that Karen is satisfied with my clarification=2E=2E=2E > >we either need a motion addressing the question of how the meeting is >to=20 >be conducted > >or a motion to adjourn? > >If someone makes such a motion, then if there is no objection within 3=20 >days, the motion will be assumed to be approved=2E Or people can vote=2E > >lojbab > > >_______________________________________________ >Llg-members mailing list >Llg-members@lojban=2Eorg >http://mail=2Elojban=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/llg-members ------A4WAHQGXBF2451TGIJAZAZYE8Q8XC8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I move to adjourn the current meeting=2E

I also suggest that the 2017 meeting have June 1 as the date to have items= for the agenda, and discussion start on June 2=2E I picked these dates for= two reasons: since Summer (Northern Hemisphere) is a time many take vacati= ons and may have more time to participate, and also in order that the 2017 = meeting end before the November-December holiday season=2E

=2Ekaris=2E

On April 25, 2017 7:38:27 AM= EDT, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban=2Eorg> wrote:
On 4/23/2017 7:16 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
The short answer is that I = don't know exactly what we are doing=2E Unless
the members wish to d= ecide now, it will be up to the Board, strongly
affected by whoever i= s President and therefore running the meeting=2E

While what I d= escribed was different from the above, I think I
assimilated parts o= f it, to wit:
Riley = originally proposed,
"I would strongly prefer that we adopt a fo= rmat like the Language
Creation Society: We fix the agenda for the me= eting beforehand,
=2E=2E=2E=2E
gleki:
"conduct meetings in IRC PA= RTIALLY =2E=2E=2E presenting transcripts

with the = partial solution to the problem of non-inclusiveness to be that
we co= nduct the discussion in IRC and on this mailing list IN ADVANCE OF
TH= E MEETING, which is in keeping with having the agenda fixed in advance=2E
The point being that people don't need to wait until the next me= eting to
discuss issues informally, thereby coming to a consensus mot= ion that
would need only a pro-forma vote during the meeting=2E
=
At this point, I am easy to please, because we've had 2 years of wha= t I
consider to be near-total failures to hold a real meeting=2E A m= eeting
that takes months, for which half of the people who are nomina= lly
present aren't paying enough attention to cast their Board vote w= ithin a
week of the call for votes, can hardly be worse than any of t= he options
referred to above=2E (I admit my own weakness of leadershi= p as being
partly at fault, but I didn't see any sign of people prefe= rring
something different to what I was and wasn't doing=2E)

Assuming that Karen is satisfied with my clarification=2E= =2E=2E

we either need a motion addressing the question of how th= e meeting is to
be conducted

or a motion to adjourn?
=
If someone makes such a motion, then if there is no objection within = 3
days, the motion will be assumed to be approved=2E Or people can v= ote=2E

lojbab




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