Received: from localhost ([::1]:43936 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eFXSe-0007fj-LL; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:37:00 -0800 Received: from mail-ua0-f176.google.com ([209.85.217.176]:36892) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eFXS8-0007de-LB for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:36:29 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f176.google.com with SMTP id s28so576954uag.4 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:36:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TRQHnTSqLL45MgxIMcRkpmfsgszFlwDptEIjzeyfrXk=; b=Wx2fYDO8P9C0v1mAkthzYw8U2YHUxAQimcz0D2Mh560IGGEyT+Iq6NL2xmB13zDBBQ FCVjjIpkvtt2Oc3NxW0DUKm0jixX/umuR8/sSE5hsbzyoOqV2hjKMqbj3DCpVosv3owa Xr8Uuy1xtE4gmJH21iSVe8qEyfSFsArDuF+Vg1PjmA0RIrhvu7IfIrxc5KwyRa9IT1rR DrWoekLUOVL0XTi3OSS0T8P7peED7eGCR0c/ycVcWybaQ73bW1pmY+b1B8DbazXKUFTM gsZPgHwzHkqn3+qcztVU/7YL9efeHCWlnSH0vsWLKCdpvRFno7bh8TuaA/ZzJQ29USvY az4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=TRQHnTSqLL45MgxIMcRkpmfsgszFlwDptEIjzeyfrXk=; b=ofzXuFYr8fAdGCs80pC8tFIHdjX97aOp2HonWssKae3tBgQrCbx+QFNDca7N+M4WQh yBvqLiT2pi/scmzlP+HML9OaNQRJnulQasPvyMFoSXrfTGBOVJFb2Hl1Un4hh1EUSRLZ p7LISRK6VvgKH6FbbWFlhJcCx8sJAhXJ/E44724iqzWuxSZ20OQweG3N1PqT714u4Ckx 35/lS2/x4Eeunf8zSOfLlWsX877WakNg8VEW0dcl2FKszqpFceilEjp5Ikr2E2Cwiivh +DQTs3iistyMDR3xxGJUsK86OKey+RwJBFJdqxllcgHrs+wChVGRI2v81R6i7DH3rYoB dC3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7hzoNIe0th85nAlXHJxqo6p/GVibFDNnuWUYBjKD9y3QgNeJII h+9m6N9oSFdCZN2j/aJFanG/vTaEtTWww4tdyDo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZ/GYuZi2LceDW78AHxint/oP717AEGkHpU6nGS2W6yvkN0mtR7tcQ7svR7O+xyORBftyxj3gSCZaJxjpAs+LM= X-Received: by 10.176.1.104 with SMTP id 95mr3313856uak.165.1510889781486; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:36:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.18.75 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.176.18.75 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:36:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0a1fc3cb-02ae-9fdd-acbe-058e034f573a@lojban.org> References: <0a1fc3cb-02ae-9fdd-acbe-058e034f573a@lojban.org> From: Creative Care Services Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:36:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.8 X-Spam_score_int: -47 X-Spam_bar: ---- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Old Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9155213183572744477==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============9155213183572744477== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d08f0b867ad055e2570eb" --001a113d08f0b867ad055e2570eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lojbab's latest post, which follows, makes it clear that several steps in the meeting went by too fast for everyone to see and respond to them. Here's a list of what has already been raised. * Because mukti is unable to participate regularly I put the reading of minutes from the last meeting aside until he is able to read them or someone else offers to summarize the meeting notes for the rest of us. * We then heard what reports were available (again putting mukti's on hold). * A request was made by the president for anyone interested in joining the voting membership or anyone interested in leaving the membership to state such a desire. No one did over the next several days. I recently announced mistakenly that the next section is for old business, however lojbab has reminded me that election of the board is the next order of business. In order to accommodate the need to have our Board elected before the end of this month, I hereby open the floor for statements of nomination (for oneself or another) of new board members, and statements of continued interest from those now serving on the board. Transfer from the 2017 board to the 2018 board will, as lojbab stated, take place at the conclusion of this membership meeting. These will be accepted through 12:00 midnight GMT on =C5=83ovember 21, 2017. Since others may not have realized that all these sections of the meeting have already been opened to discussion, I will happily back up to make sure that all members and other participants in this meeting feel that they have been heard. If any of you would like more discussion on any of hese topics, please announce this in an email to this list before 12:00 midnight GMT the end of November 19, 2017. I want to leave some time for any discussion requested to occur before voting occurs on the Board for 2018. . karis. On Nov 15, 2017 19:52, "Bob LeChevalier" wrote: On 11/14/2017 4:40 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2017-11-14 10:39 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services >: > > > If this meeting was paralyzed we'd still be taking roll. We aren't > going to discuss this further until it's brought up as new business, > as I know Gleki plans to do > > First, an official statement that the membership tensing as it was > with the exception of And Rosta. I leave it to Riley to list all the > names at this point in the meeting writeup. > > No one has suggested any new members or asked to be removed so we > proceed > > What old business do the rest of you want addressed? Please state > these topics and explain a bit where you believe it's necessary. I > expect this to be complete by 12:00 noon GMT on 11/18/2017. > My opinion (which can be overridden by the chair) > After committee reports, the next item is a call for any new members (who should have been enrolled on the list earlier, but I don't know if mukti added anyone). People can nominate someone not present, and if accepted by the membership would be invited to join the meeting. Then we elect the new Board of Directors which will take office after this meeting ends (and then the new Board will elect new officers). Old and then New business comes after the Board election. Old business consists of topics discussed at prior meetings, especially if they involved motions that were passed. Anything to do with byfy, LLG role in the language OTHER THAN appointing the BYFY chair, and management of the website, and Pierre's committee-of-one effort to create a testing/skill rating system are the 4 things I know would be old business. You need to look at old minutes to see if there are other topics. Unfortunately, without mukti, there are no minutes for last meeting to approve (which should have been earlier in the meeting, but there is no help for that). New business is anything else. gleki's previous postings would still be new business if they never made it to the status of an approved motion in a prior meeting. Lojbab --001a113d08f0b867ad055e2570eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0Lojbab's latest post, which follows,=C2=A0 make= s it clear that several steps in the meeting went by too fast for everyone = to see and respond to them. Here's a list of what has already been rais= ed.=C2=A0

* Because mukti is u= nable to participate regularly I put the reading of minutes from the last m= eeting aside until he is able to read them or someone else offers to summar= ize the meeting notes for the rest of us.=C2=A0

=
* We then heard what reports were available (again = putting mukti's on hold).=C2=A0

* A request was made by the president for anyone interested in = joining the voting membership or anyone interested in leaving the membershi= p to state such a desire. No one did over the next several days.=C2=A0

I recently announced mistake= nly that the next section is for old business, however lojbab has reminded = me that election of the board is the next order of business.

In order to accommodate the need to h= ave our Board elected before the end of this month, I hereby open the floor= for statements of nomination (for oneself or another) of new board members= , and statements of continued interest from those now serving on the board.= Transfer from the 2017 board to the 2018 board will, as lojbab stated, tak= e place at the conclusion of this membership meeting. These will be accepte= d through 12:00 midnight GMT on =C5=83ovember 21, 2017.

Since others may not have realized that all= these sections of the meeting have already been opened to discussion,=C2= =A0I will happily back up to make su= re that all members and other participants in this meeting feel that they h= ave been heard. If any of you would like more discussion on any of hese top= ics, please announce this in an email to this list before 12:00 midnight GM= T the end of November 19, 2017. I want to leave some time for any discussio= n requested to occur before voting occurs on the Board for 2018.=C2=A0

. karis.=C2=A0

On Nov 15, 201= 7 19:52, "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
On 11/14/2017 4:40 AM, Gle= ki Arxokuna wrote:


2017-11-14 10:39 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com <mailto:= comcaresvcs@gmai= l.com>>:


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If this meeting was paralyzed we'd still be taking roll. = We aren't
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 going to discuss this further until it's brought up as ne= w business,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 as I know Gleki plans to do

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 First, an official statement that the membership tensing as i= t was
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with the exception of And Rosta. I leave it to Riley to list = all the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 names at this point in the meeting writeup.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 No one has suggested any new members or asked to be removed s= o we
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 proceed

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 What old business do the rest of you want addressed? Please s= tate
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 these topics and explain a bit where you believe it's nec= essary. I
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 expect this to be complete by 12:00 noon GMT on 11/18/2017. <= /div>


My opini= on (which can be overridden by the chair)

After committee reports, the next item is a call for any new members (who s= hould have been enrolled on the list earlier, but I don't know if mukti= added anyone).=C2=A0 People can nominate someone not present, and if accep= ted by the membership would be invited to join the meeting.


Then we elect the new Board of Directors which will take office after this = meeting ends (and then the new Board will elect new officers).

Old and then New business comes after the Board election.=C2=A0 Old busines= s consists of topics discussed at prior meetings, especially if they involv= ed motions that were passed.=C2=A0 Anything to do with byfy, LLG role in th= e language OTHER THAN appointing the BYFY chair, and management of the webs= ite, and Pierre's committee-of-one effort to create a testing/skill rat= ing system are the 4 things I know would be old business.=C2=A0 You need to= look at old minutes to see if there are other topics.=C2=A0 Unfortunately,= without mukti, there are no minutes for last meeting to approve (which sho= uld have been earlier in the meeting, but there is no help for that).

New business is anything else.=C2=A0 gleki's previous postings would st= ill be new business if they never made it to the status of an approved moti= on in a prior meeting.

Lojbab

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