Received: from localhost ([::1]:53936 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQpDT-0007os-Ga; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:47:59 -0800 Received: from mail-yb0-f172.google.com ([209.85.213.172]:46534) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eQpCw-0007nz-K3 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:47:27 -0800 Received: by mail-yb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id g15so10304479ybc.13 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:47:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cx03SgBPr2V13CQiaS3fAllZ/6INsTfXmLNQ/N32Ac8=; b=d10V3T3NkoQWQmQG/vtv7nQCO+wFq1sPm7XkblmO1ESEIP87FHVK04zwnA9E163D19 abYc1FBAXKdQ+cNmal2YTTnqMzOw5WBKbFsq2sDnhrds6KD16eJuW8g0kGfk1hOpoYxB RkS7fsN/eaXPTfX+1aWdetAxGtOg2Sb700wduQU/CeN2D2uwqbNvZ8ElQlBPysaHvREj 3XtOqq4RXy6qgNG/eOZYBF6WDJ/PuHydTIwrcjMbN36+YDLuSTEYtmaiSvoguOxh5JqB 00kqXj7ez6DCRtXBGD6Ekmsf6zdpteCtezPkwC7E4ozgFB71ABxCYv2ceginy/w+pJ82 1n3A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=cx03SgBPr2V13CQiaS3fAllZ/6INsTfXmLNQ/N32Ac8=; b=HOA2164dJnAyLb4i2krhwmK3vXogIpMCKBTPgUae7y+nDP3iqH3MU3DL3l38oL+oRW o5WGJetKfhvziyNf6zN8Kv0o0LhWTiefmR6IKdEmiUQ0YceTeymUhWZgvBAWmEdaABHW irFbSyTH4h/GCFGRoIFZvBUAcqlVRAfATGkiRSpEBMdH32PQp9+57/ZpnbkxalprIT9C DsxxOpbt1AuTHMbBC6NVyctFyYtJQmeftqcPS/lRKRnDS2nEAt6RjCms9hB+8bU0gusB jurb630bv4BNr3YnOG6b3htpMydbTvVnWmHFIvo2PCtmmYJuBUYM0qamL2a8oQ2qV7wE t49Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKVdmrKRmdDtrapDKTGR3+X/yr40hXibk0May1jG34PhPBGRAUj RXX64ouTKMRPRrIJ9AztOaQOHZ1lz9I3F9BVuGM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovvRR0+eE6GslXAoQ6kQvAeUTY7pFHY673NQDCJaZXobwFNzNNOrtdT4hSdnEB3TpP3ElBF53ll2hBD8VTKibw= X-Received: by 10.37.187.197 with SMTP id c5mr7753231ybk.36.1513579639888; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:47:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.135.9 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.135.9 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:47:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1663389.WBx79aILec@caracal> References: <1663389.WBx79aILec@caracal> From: Curtis Franks Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 01:47:19 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_bar: ---- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Unfinished Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6009537875499173318==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6009537875499173318== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403043d9f14c66206056097b873" --f403043d9f14c66206056097b873 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree that BIhI should be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the current/one-dimensional case). Furthermore, I prefer the value of GAhO to be undetermined/elliptical/generic when no explicitly mentioned. I expound upon this topic in the appropriately labelled portions of https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_Interval_cmavo . I do not know what CIDR is. On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: > On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services > wrote: > > I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the la= st > > meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discuss th= at > > first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have > the > > discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of > speed > > as well. > > The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been > clear to > me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the new > definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition > should > do: > > *If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it > means. > > *If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the > correct word to use in it. > > The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitions. It > has at > least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions: > > *Combine two words or phrases with higher priority. > > *Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction. > > *Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifier= . > > It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence conjunctio= n > out > of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority: > > la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. > jorne > le girzu > > I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spanish > tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever the > bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI > (particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't know how to hack PE= G > (or > YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for the slash in > CIDR. > > Pierre > > -- > When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. > J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --f403043d9f14c66206056097b873 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree that BIhI should be able to tak= e 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the current/one-dimensional case). Furthermore, I pre= fer the value of GAhO to be undetermined/elliptical/generic when no explici= tly mentioned. I expound upon this topic in the appropriately labelled port= ions of=C2=A0https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_= Interval_cmavo .

I do not know what CI= DR is.

On De= c 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creati= ve Care Services wrote:
> I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the l= ast
> meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discu= ss that
> first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have= =C2=A0 the
> discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of = speed
> as well.

The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been c= lear to
me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the new definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition shou= ld
do:

*If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it means.

*If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the correct word to use in it.

The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitio= ns. It has at
least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions:

*Combine two words or phrases with higher priority.

*Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction.
*Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifier.<= br>
It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence conjunction = out
of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority:

la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. jor= ne
le girzu

I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spani= sh
tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever the bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI
(particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't kno= w how to hack PEG (or
YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for t= he slash in CIDR.

Pierre

--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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