Received: from localhost ([::1]:34086 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eR8gr-00077X-Pd; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:35:37 -0800 Received: from mail-vk0-f46.google.com ([209.85.213.46]:34985) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eR8gL-00075N-Hc for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:35:07 -0800 Received: by mail-vk0-f46.google.com with SMTP id y187so10746329vkd.2 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:35:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qAU6R6XXulwZO0IljBsaKswvb1UZ+2q1uG52VFGEric=; b=OaZ7h1xPUvbRdoDUt8aEKB8LTNB253j3uRpsRvi9gFXulkWG96GbqalXaF4CgKWcQ4 jPOMUFKNBbFayvSJGDfyiKVkVQfnnaanHAsPDob0BPEkJwfSNHEGB3JZzlTBlCjuSIgl ZK7u+ZVWeT0F7/tTe5u+cypzq0glsfE4hepaqKEDYFegvWqW1e6S9mlioAifJowzsmja MvyfcaPTIpyUiROw0AJ9PByOhJnfr6Yk8OWHZ7zuHHll/fV29oAX5FebLsOOQ+O6JN3j xyQtjuG/tsDBHhklHUtZi05Qn4rnyTKMECzpWLaYmNOcQPRGBNN0I07O+kh17bHrHQQ9 ZKJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=qAU6R6XXulwZO0IljBsaKswvb1UZ+2q1uG52VFGEric=; b=RQCm3E5XrisP46aJ69pE4xrgQoI/HS/CXjvc3QIVYEzNpIHgkLr8xSl56bWXpLtHYu rDbtwE3ntBuJ5NlrrnmSquxPUEAFAXJPiPQaXJZIY1WysqLbDmnicwD6CVZnoYDm2h/o FX7dKHmmYFG51wFLplHAnK29buUegeRoH70A4ZrzhPixQ7g48nx0cij9rm4MXDzbfY1C A7OlNaV3qKIpBi7Rv+KMuC7JBwrPMFTQCmsBsAT7kxHpi4GmB/T6Xo3qErO5iNEI8skN TQj5FtEFih1P1UMmT3s7aysW7eySXbIEWdKku3SGmBB89ISNyK/R9Q8lTLllRqWLMPnK 4H6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKy9r2WLYedt2sLdZ2XuYeqiKyoHk3BVLkYzxlQbJkjv5Jw1VvB 8xY5vyXHqecWxx72vGQ0RKPFT1tEyi+7NnYhA98= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotETBHWs46bsC6ksmM0kAuAKvFn86iL0U4Ia29C2LujnwJ+Rvfy+HtexQds11Fm3jaact4130LfT5Frb0zax6g= X-Received: by 10.31.228.6 with SMTP id b6mr1929746vkh.59.1513654498260; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:34:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:34:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1663389.WBx79aILec@caracal> From: Creative Care Services Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:34:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Unfinished Business X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1828152947271890338==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1828152947271890338== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c092f80ae7c9f0560a92607" --94eb2c092f80ae7c9f0560a92607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm glad you all seem to follow most of what I type even when my autocorrect makes strange words selections that I don't catch. My understanding is that all decision making about vocabulary and grammar was given to the BPFK during the period when I was not active with LLG. I also think that LLG no longer has any say in the process or decisions made unless we choose to withdraw our support for it and take these duties back. Can anyone verify or correct this information? . karis. On Dec 18, 2017 02:05, "Curtis Franks" wrote: I agree. I was simply validating a particular viewpoint which had been raised. We should have such a discussion somewhere though. On Dec 18, 2017 01:54, "Alex Burka" wrote: > Getting into the questions about actual cmavo here is perhaps a bit more > into the weeds than we need to do for the LLG meeting? The progress can b= e > seen here: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Sections > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Curtis Franks > wrote: > >> I agree that BIhI should be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the >> current/one-dimensional case). Furthermore, I prefer the value of GAhO t= o >> be undetermined/elliptical/generic when no explicitly mentioned. I >> expound upon this topic in the appropriately labelled portions of >> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_Interval_cmavo . >> >> I do not know what CIDR is. >> >> On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative Care Services >>> wrote: >>> > I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the >>> last >>> > meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discuss >>> that >>> > first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have >>> the >>> > discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of >>> speed >>> > as well. >>> >>> The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been >>> clear to >>> me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the n= ew >>> definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition >>> should >>> do: >>> >>> *If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what i= t >>> means. >>> >>> *If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out th= e >>> correct word to use in it. >>> >>> The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitions. It >>> has at >>> least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions: >>> >>> *Combine two words or phrases with higher priority. >>> >>> *Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction. >>> >>> *Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti >>> qualifier. >>> >>> It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence >>> conjunction out >>> of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority: >>> >>> la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. >>> jorne >>> le girzu >>> >>> I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spani= sh >>> tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever t= he >>> bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI >>> (particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't know how to hack >>> PEG (or >>> YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for the slash i= n >>> CIDR. >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> -- >>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --94eb2c092f80ae7c9f0560a92607 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm glad=C2=A0 you all seem to follow most of what I = type even when=C2=A0 my autocorrect makes strange words selections that I d= on't catch.

My understandi= ng is that all decision making about vocabulary and grammar was given to th= e BPFK during the period when I was not active with LLG. I also think that = LLG no longer has any say in the process or decisions made unless we choose= to withdraw our support for it and take these duties back. Can anyone veri= fy or correct this information?=C2=A0

. ka= ris.=C2=A0

On Dec 18, 2017 02:05, "Curtis Franks"= ; <curtis.w.franks@gmail.co= m> wrote:
I agree. I was simply validating a particular viewpoint which had= been raised.

We should have s= uch a discussion somewhere though.=C2=A0

On Dec 18= , 2017 01:54, "Alex Burka" <durka42@gmail.com> wrote:
Getting into the questio= ns about actual cmavo here is perhaps a bit more into the weeds than we nee= d to do for the LLG meeting? The progress can be seen here:=C2=A0https://mw.lo= jban.org/papri/BPFK_Sections

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that BIhI should= be able to take 0, 1, or 2 GAhO (in the current/one-dimensional case). Fur= thermore, I prefer the value of GAhO to be undetermined/elliptical/generic when no explicitly mentioned. I expound upon this topic in the appropr= iately labelled portions of=C2=A0https://mw.lojban= .org/papri/Extended_Dimensionality_of_Interval_cmavo .
<= div dir=3D"auto">
I do not know what CIDR is.

On Dec 17, 2017 20:02, &qu= ot;Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
=
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 7:25:47 PM EST Creative C= are Services wrote:
> I believe both are unfinished business since they were raised at the l= ast
> meeting and postponed. The first mentioned is BPFK, so let's discu= ss that
> first. I open the floor. Personally I would also rather actually have= =C2=A0 the
> discussions rather than pushing them off yet again in the interest of = speed
> as well.

The BPFK was tasked with rewriting cmavo definitions. It's never been c= lear to
me what was wrong with (most of) the previous definitions or what the new definitions should be like. There are at least two things a definition shou= ld
do:

*If someone comes across a word, he should be able to figure out what it means.

*If someone is composing a sentence, he should be able to figure out the correct word to use in it.

The cmavo "bo" is one of the cmavo with the least clear definitio= ns. It has at
least three uses, so it should have at least three definitions:

*Combine two words or phrases with higher priority.

*Combine "i" with a preposition to make a sentence conjunction.
*Turn a scalar operator, which qualifies a selbri, into a sumti qualifier.<= br>
It seems to me that there should be a way of making a sentence conjunction = out
of a preposition without making that conjunction have higher priority:

la .alis. benji lo notci la .bab. ije la .bab. spuda .ibabo la .carlys. jor= ne
le girzu

I'm the shepherd of BIhI/GAhO (or the bifigafos (some animal in a Spani= sh
tonguetwister, probably related to the Portuguese mafagafo), wherever the bifigafos went), and I think that it should be possible to have BIhI
(particularly "mi'i") with only one GAhO, but I don't kno= w how to hack PEG (or
YACC) to make the change. Also "mi'i" seems appropriate for t= he slash in CIDR.

Pierre

--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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