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From: guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 02:25:02 +0000
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2017-12-24 14:12 GMT+00:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
> If shimmering who speaks lojban wants a subsidy to help them attend an event
> to present then they will need to write a proposal to the Board as far in
> advance of the event as possible. If it is written in any language other
> than English a translation is appreciated as that is the common language
> best understood by it's members at this time. The Board will then make a
> decision. What criteria it uses will be discussed at the next Board meeting.
> Anyone can present ideas at that meeting.
>
> .karis.
>

doi karis

I don't think any advertisements or meetings for Lojban need official support.

I guess the most effective advertisements ever were Arika Okrent's In
the Land of Invented Languages and Ron Hale-Evans's Mind Performance
Hacks:
http://inthelandofinventedlanguages.com/
http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596101534.do
There is also a famous novelist who wrote about Lojban in his book in Japanese:
http://bookclub.kodansha.co.jp/product?isbn=9784062159333
None of them received any official support.

There were also some events and meetings that did not receive any
official support.

I observed there is or was an active Lojban learners' group in
Augsburg, Germany. There used to be some physical meetings for
learning Lojban in Tokyo, Japan. A lojbanists' group sometimes sells
their journal about Lojban including their small works in Lojban in
big events of physical market in Tokyo, Japan. I remember also some
people talked about lojban in some meetings for computer science. I
also talked about Lojban in a philosophers' meeting in Tokyo, Japan:
https://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo
None of them received any official support.

To conclude, Any official supports are not required for
advertisements, events or meetings. They will spontaneously occur if
someone wants. Any events for Lojban organized around your place will
be appreciated, but it is not necessary to be organized by the
official body.

I agree to dissolving the LLG. It is actually dead. One of the pieces
of evidence is that we have not yet published any official reply to
the open letter to the LLG that was posted two years ago:
http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/open_letter.html
Some other pieces of evidence are that the LLG has not yet resolve the
important problems that I posted for these two years.

I wish the balance would be contributed for education of poor
children, though I don't know whether it is possible under the US law.

Before dissolving the LLG, however, a concrete fossil of the official
documents, especially of the CLL and the BPFK works, is neccessary for
future Lojbanists including me. I began to creat a large commentary on
the CLL in the form of video series:
https://mentulimu.github.io/
For such a commentary, stable references are necessary. Robin's server
is not reliable: what if he suddenly becomes unavailable? As I
repeatedly discussed, we need another place where plural responsible
people and no others can manage the contents. I suggested using
github, but any other stable places other than a person's server are
acceptable.

mi'e la guskant

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