Received: from [::1] (port=55128 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eWBR3-0001WA-9q; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 17:32:09 -0800 Received: from mail-ua0-f175.google.com ([209.85.217.175]:37495) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eWBQW-0001Tk-A0 for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 17:31:37 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f175.google.com with SMTP id r18so4677267uak.4 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 17:31:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nh0kItnG9W6+JKsW4WGofyQKfCaOjLHd6NEuheBjs2I=; b=YFmtvi11CNV0gHKh3hvg3uc4bvB0guDjqChiVWla3w04wLACfQ6cKkzrWH2ntFheoQ SsFRwuTA0KXfnewxaacryLYL9UuOzphKanzE44hzZMJGSQeS/RX0xqTiO8rl0gbsyJdv wmV/AqDZVbY2cazdJJw9+OnqPOcZ3lhj+a7SyU00E8b7BLCRmUgkXMe9JfjsUqm2mNte p8GbcLklL/EgV1nE1QJhPqysp+UvXrWYageXPLX9cMs6GhI8HxMjmLHNVTJtm0J1aHsc qe4ItJMbAYbPwERrxWppLSKf1MBWxnnJETf8TnnM8vvaYUtXEFr/GR1YNuODLY6HONW1 PdkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=nh0kItnG9W6+JKsW4WGofyQKfCaOjLHd6NEuheBjs2I=; b=MgYoaKypI2PMwCymPVcJnxASP7K0IRIYz4ZqvMlQPj1SfIqqzs+38DKQmZ+KvtfDhK VyMlioZTehD0p5yzFp3f1o9nZMfiJC3gh/o72DGsxsLLZKiStdNDUHSb7kx8+23JCcL8 C5cljt1sGj5+KDH/BkzDZ6vDDI+RRg3z/yDHjr8TdfzU/04PvNJ5qj42Wq1Yi+m1HtVy y3dPokhjLvGB7huc6hfFgcPX2XzOCd9GOlcmWenAtcf+GtVFkX1ZFdf/78fbJU51MIW8 mKWU4h5NhwruEYKLHHOP/ht1/NicTonzT+YRxBdRnw5UczNhB9wRPEWdIMKYOG5U/IFh ldlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKRcJarqDyWhe3xRclV6acZJJVFA8kQB1LoJ0XnZ8XL5e9dtgFA HYPGleKz6dqVXdc0i0P9cmaVm6gW/o/IyfFyz+Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovf60e3rFWl4o04v4AzLzCEHEi8olDO+30lyuINhmG4ZLUEKezsmHXuD+MqIiauCPZbHIEm4IilOqiHK43XmK8= X-Received: by 10.176.11.20 with SMTP id b20mr48534081uak.118.1514856689125; Mon, 01 Jan 2018 17:31:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 17:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 17:31:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4A642C91-01DF-41A5-9568-CF350C4F983F@gmail.com> From: Creative Care Services Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 20:31:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.8 X-Spam_score_int: -47 X-Spam_bar: ---- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Points of Order X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6347369145486136559==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6347369145486136559== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e08266d20d74d010561c10ed6" --089e08266d20d74d010561c10ed6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the comments, Riley, and the clarifications, Cowen. I also believe that, regardless of how many votes a censure or other action against s member takes these issues should be dealt with by the Board rather than this Members' Meeting. .karis. On Dec 28, 2017 13:08, "John Cowan" wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch < > shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote: > > I want to raise two points of order and an informal plea for civility. >> >> 1. I believe it is the prerogative of the chair to recognize whether or >> not a motion which has not been formally raised or seconded has the forc= e >> of a motion which has been formally raised, recognized, seconded, etc. >> > > Correct. The chair has almost unlimited power to operate informally, > subject only to the right of any member to appeal. > > >> 2. Per parliamentary procedure, motions which would adversely impact the >> privileges of a member require a supermajority. I would interpret a moti= on >> to censure or sanction a member to be subject to the same bar: I=E2=80= =99d be >> interested to have a ruling on that. >> > > A motion to censure (which means to express the group's strong disapprova= l > of one of its members, or on rare occasions someone else) is an ordinary > debatable main motion, and as such passes with a majority of the legal > votes cast. A censure does not in itself impact the privileges of the > member censured. A motion to expel, on the other hand, would affect memb= er > privilege and as such requires two-thirds of the legal votes cast. > > John Cowan, parliamentarian > > -- > John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > All Norstrilians knew that humor was "pleasurable corrigible malfunction"= . > --Cordwainer Smith, Norstrilia > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --089e08266d20d74d010561c10ed6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for the comments, Riley, and the clarifications= , Cowen.

I also believe that, = regardless of how many votes a censure or other action against s member tak= es these issues should be dealt with by the Board rather than this Members&= #39; Meeting.=C2=A0

.kar= is.

On= Dec 28, 2017 13:08, "John Cowan" <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:


On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch= <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:

I want to raise t= wo points of order and an informal plea for civility.

1. I believe it is the prerogative of the chair to recognize whether or not= a motion which has not been formally raised or seconded has the force of a= motion which has been formally raised, recognized, seconded, etc.

Correct.=C2=A0 The chair has almost unlimited p= ower to operate informally, subject only to the right of any member to appe= al.
=C2=A0
2. Per parliamentary procedure, motions which would adversely impact the p= rivileges of a member require a supermajority. I would interpret a motion t= o censure or sanction a member to be subject to the same bar: I=E2=80=99d b= e interested to have a ruling on that.

= A motion to censure (which means to express the group's strong disappro= val of one of its members, or on rare occasions someone else) is an ordinar= y debatable main motion, and as such passes with a majority of the legal vo= tes cast.=C2=A0 A censure does not in itself impact the privileges of the m= ember censured.=C2=A0 A motion to expel, on the other hand, would affect me= mber privilege and as such requires two-thirds of the legal votes cast.

John Cowan, parliamentarian

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John Cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://vrici.lojban.= org/~cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cowan@ccil.org
All Norstrilians knew = that humor was "pleasurable corrigible malfunction".
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Cordwainer Smith, Norstrilia
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