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I'.m short on sleep and brain fried having spent the past week and a half helping my father care for my seriously ill mother 10 road hoots away, and finally had the opportunity to read and respond to all the LLG messages that had accumulated. .karis. On Jan 5, 2018 04:54, "Curtis Franks" wrote: > I do not make my amendment because I actually think that the definition > provided for logical languages, regardless of its merits, is - according to > the wording of the motion - strictly for only the purposes of the > motion/provision (and any other motion or provision which borrows or > derives from the definitional framework and description of the motion). > > I have replied to and edited (my version of) your message for clarity and > made an important addition which specified my formal motion (so it does not > change anything except people's perception/understanding of what was meant) > for Motion 3. > > On Jan 5, 2018 4:22 AM, "Creative Care Services" > wrote: > > Curtis has made three related [motions], all seconded (without the > amendment Curtis made to number 3) > > > Motion 1, actually. The effects would potentially propagate to the others > in order (although I believe there to be a decent amount of argument > available for and against that outcome in either event). In any case, > because I am not proposing the amendment again, it does not matter except > for the sake of clarity. > > As a heads-up: this error is made throughout your response. > > by Selpa'i. Since Selpa'i specifically had not included Curtis' amendment > to number 3 [correction: 1], that [motion] does not include the > amendment[.] I request that Curtis make this amendment as an add[-]on if he > still wants it included. > > Assuming there are no objections raised by our parliamentarian, discussion > shall continue until 12:00 noon GMT in January 9, 2018 subject to early > termination [if] the discussion ends before then. They will be discussed > together, though we will vote on each separately. I hope I don't need to > say this[:] Please [keep(?)] discussion on these [motions] to this thread > and keep discussions here to these motions. > > .karis. > > > Motion 1: The LLG shall adopt, as a principal goal of the LLG (coequal > with any other principal goals), the intention of exploration and promotion > of logical language(s) in general, subject to the following definitional > framework and description: Presupposing that everything effable (i.e. > linguistically expressible) can be represented as a predicate-argument > structure (PAS), a logical language (in the technical sense, i.e. loglang) > is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously bidirectionally encodes an > unlimited number of PASs. (Also known by some as the 'monoparsing' > property. The relevant bidirectionality is conversion both from PAS to > phonological form and from phonological form to PAS.) > > > > Motion 2: A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal > goals) is promotion of Lojban (regardless of its status as a logical > language) as defined by documents endorsed by the LLG. > > > ^^ I likewise (same wording) so move, with terms as described in my > immediately previous motion in this message. > > > > Motion 3: A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal > goals) is creation of a Lojban derivative that is a logical language. > > > ^^ I likewise so move, with terms as described in my immediately previous > two motions in this message. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a114eaf5c907d78056204a951 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry about that. I'.m short on sleep and brain fried= having spent the past week and a half helping my father care for my seriou= sly ill mother 10 road hoots away, and finally had the opportunity to read = and respond to all the LLG messages that had accumulated.
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.karis.=C2=A0

On Jan 5, 2018 04:54, "Curtis Fran= ks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not make my amendment bec= ause I actually think that the definition provided for logical languages, r= egardless of its merits, is - according to the wording of the motion - stri= ctly for only the purposes of the motion/provision (and any other motion or= provision which borrows or derives from the definitional framework and des= cription of the motion).

I have replied to and edited (my version of) your message for clarity and = made an important addition which specified my formal motion (so it does not= change anything except people's perception/understanding of what was m= eant) for Motion 3.

On Jan 5, 2018 4:22 AM, "Crea= tive Care Services" <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"m_-5886642861417160138quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex= ;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Curtis= has made three related [motions], all seconded (without the amendment Curt= is made to number 3)

Motion 1, actually. The effects would po= tentially propagate to the others in order (although I believe there to be = a decent amount of argument available for and against that outcome in eithe= r event). In any case, because I am not proposing the amendment again, it d= oes not matter except for the sake of clarity.

<= /div>
As a heads-up: this error is made throughout your re= sponse.

by Selpa'i. Since Selpa'i specific= ally=C2=A0 had not included Curtis' amendment to number 3 [correction: = 1], that [motion] does not include the amendment[.] I request that Curtis m= ake this amendment as an add[-]on if he still wants it included.

Assuming there are no objections r= aised by our parliamentarian, discussion shall continue until 12:00 noon GM= T in January 9, 2018 subject to early termination [if] the discussion ends = before then. They will be discussed together, though we will vote on each s= eparately. I hope I don't need to say this[:] Please [keep(?)] discussi= on on these [motions] to this thread and keep discussions here to these mot= ions.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2= =A0


Motion 1: The LLG shall adopt, as a principal goal of = the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals), the intention of explorat= ion and promotion of logical language(s) in general, subject to the followi= ng definitional framework and description: Presupposing that everything eff= able (i.e. linguistically expressible) can be represented as a predicate-ar= gument structure (PAS), a logical language (in the technical sense, i.e. lo= glang) is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously bidirectionally encodes an= unlimited number of PASs. (Also known by some as the 'monoparsing'= property. The relevant bidirectionality is conversion both from PAS to pho= nological form and from phonological form to PAS.)
=


Motion 2= : A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals) is p= romotion of Lojban (regardless of its status as a logical language) as defi= ned by documents endorsed by the LLG.


^^ I likewise (same wordin= g) so move, with terms as described in my immediately previous motion in th= is message.


Motion 3: A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other pr= incipal goals) is creation of a Lojban derivative that is a logical languag= e.

^^ I likewise so move, with terms as described in my immediately previou= s two motions in this message.
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