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What is "zi'evla"? Maybe, fu'ivla? 2018-01-07 1:46 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > I rescind my proposal of and support for Motion 6; I 'unmove' it. I hereb= y > proffer and move Motion 6 Amended 1ce, as described next: > " > > ****** Motion 6 Amended 1ce ****** > A motion and charter for a body: > > ___ > > > *** Section 0 - Establishment and Purpose: > > Clause 0: > =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: There shall herein be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2= =80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, > constituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the au= thority of the LLG > -=E2=80=8B which will=E2=80=8B (according to its discretion) oversee,=E2= =80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and > (insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and ap= plication > of LLG policy consistent with and pursuant to the content of whichever of > the following items have been passed by the LLG and are in effect: (1) an= y > of aforementioned motion proposals (id est: Motion 4, Motion 5); (2) any > similar policy of the LLG which has been explicitly delegated to it. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: According to its discretion, this same body add= itionally > shall search for both (1) potential violations of the same policies (as i= n > Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause A and in accord with Section 0 Clause 0 > Subclause C), and (2) any content whatsoever which should be so disclaime= d > (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not necessari= ly > pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to the > aforementioned policies of the LLG) and which has been identified to be > appropriate for such disclaimer. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Regardless of any other provision of the LLG or= this > motion (excluding Section 1 Clause 7), the primary focus of this body sha= ll > be on: (1) official-seeming accounts, pages, or other entities which are > not clearly personal and which are not endorsed by or under the direct > control of the LLG; (2) teaching materials concerning topics related to t= he > LLG; (3) syntax-oriented content which may be confused for being official= ly > endorsed by the LLG, particular that which makes proposals or analysis > concerning the structure or functionality of a language; (4) the curation > of LLG-associated or officially endorsed websites, publications, and > content within its purview. Only with rare and carefully considered > exception will this body concern itself with: (1) particular works in or > usages of any language or version thereof, particularly if they are > creative or primarily intended to be a non-instructive or > position-nonassertive texts/content concerning the structure or > functionality of a language; (2) obviously personal accounts or users who > do not claim official endorsement by the LLG for the content which they > publish. Section 1 Clause 4, Section 1 Clause 5, and Section 1 Clause 7 > shall be its primary legal, moral, operational, and intentional constrain= ts > and shall have dominance over nearly all other concerns. > > Clause 1: The body described in Section 0 Clause 0 shall herein be simply > known as "the Body", "this Body", or (as appropriate) "it"; (note the > orthographic casing of the first two options). This motion, upon its > passage and entry into force, shall act as the charter for this Body and > shall be active policy of the LLG. > > Clause 2: This entire motion shall be inactive, vacuous, ineffective, and= =E2=80=8B > totally=E2=80=8B ignored if: (1) Motion 4 and Motion 5 both do not pass p= rior to > this motion or during the same meeting of the LLG as that in which this > motion was most recently proposed; (2) there is a failure to incorporate > this Body according to Section 3 by 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1 January A.D. 20= 20 > or within one full calendrical year of the passage of this motion by the > LLG (whichever is later); or (3) a directive according to or in the > pursuance of Section 1 Clause 4 is issued with the authorities therein > described. > > ___ > > > *** Section 1 - Operation and Constraints: > > Clause 0: This Body will autonomously regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-= =E2=80=8Bdesired > design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any s= uch notice, > protocol, or disclaimer pursuant to Section 0=E2=80=8B Clause 0 in the st= ead of the > LLG directly=E2=80=8B. > > Clause 1: The Body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdec= ision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band > work to the LLG at least one per any twelve-month-long interval or > immediately upon the request of the LLG or upon its expiration or > termination. It shall save and preserve all documentation of such, as a > work of the Body, in perpetuity and in unmodified, properly maintained an= d > connected and organized, and complete form. The body shall proffer any > documentation to an appropriate law enforcement or legal official upon > their request. > > Clause 2: The Body will notify the pertinent websites and entities and > other subjects (pursuant to Section 0 Clause 0), according to its own > discretion or according to the explicit and direct command by the LLG, as > to its standards and policies once such are concretely established=E2=80= =8B. Such > notification shall be only in a manner deemed suitable by the Body and > (when appropriate) the LLG directly. > > Clause 3: Whilst the Body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain t= otal > right of oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility > for, the Body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or me= thods or > works, as well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B = or its > purview. > > Clause 4: All of this Body's authority shall be inferior to, derived from= , > and subsumed by that of the LLG or the law and shall be bounded by any > policy or command of the LLG or the law. It shall, in good faith, endeavo= r > to totally comply with and fulfill any such policy or command of LLG or t= he > law. It shall also be subject to the following conditions: > =E2=80=A2 Condition 0: If the LLG ceases to exist, then this Body shal= l > immediately cease to exist too. > =E2=80=A2 Condition 1: If this charter becomes inoperable or is totall= y deleted > or abolished, then this Body shall immediately cease to exist as if > naturally expired (as in Section 1 Clause 8). If Section 0 Clause 2 appli= es > or is satisfied, then this charter is deemed to be totally inoperable. > =E2=80=A2 Condition 2: At any time and for any purpose (or none), the = LLG or > law may cause the utter and immediate termination of this Body or may hal= t > or direct any of its works, debates, or other processes. While under > investigation by the law or officers thereof, this body shall continue an= d > operate such that it complies with the directives of the law or the > aforementioned officer and reduces all other endeavors so as to maximize > its ability to comply therewith - and all other provisions to the contrar= y, > including those by or according to this charter, shall be ignored. > =E2=80=A2 Condition 3: The LLG (within the restrictions and permission= s of the > law) retains the sole right to edit or amend, add to, remove from, or > delete or abolish this charter or any policy of the LLG which sustains th= is > Body. > =E2=80=A2 Condition 4: In all cases, the law or officers thereof shall= be > superior to the LLG. > > Clause 5: The Body shall not notify or attempt to in any way regulate or > pressure any entity or content which is not subject to or the subject of > such LLG policy - although it may search for and review such content. > > Clause 6: If and when this Body finds such content as that which is > described in Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause B but does not have the authori= ty > to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, or if and when > there is lack of implemented policy or mandate concerning some content, i= t > shall - according to its discretion - notify the LLG of the situation and > its recommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B.=E2=80=8B The Body shall = take no further > action regarding or relating to such content unless explicitly authorized > to do by the LLG. > > Clause 7: > Main provision: Regardless of other provisions of the LLG, the actions o= f > this Body shall be minimalistic, restrained, friendly and non-aggressive, > and welcoming of experimentation with or in - as well as welcoming of any > usage or promotion of - any version of any language which is endorsed or > promoted by the LLG or which otherwise belongs to the purview or mandate = of > this Body or of the LLG (collectively described herein as "language(s)"). > It shall actively encourage further innovation, exploration, usage, > promotion, and creative or technical or casual exercise of such languages > in all of its external interactions. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: This body never shall attack, defame, insult, o= r > pressure (1) any users/authors of or in the relevant language(s) (or thei= r > associated communities) nor (2) the particular personal usage of any > version of any language or other related work; it shall never act in a > manner which stifles or discourages anyone from enjoying, exploring, usin= g, > or promoting any such language; it shall take especial care regarding > interactions with prospective or potentially new users, authors, and > community members, as well as people or entities with whom it has little > prior interaction. In such cases, it shall at most request that the > author(s): (1) sufficiently define new or experimental cmavo, gismu, rafs= i, > zi'evla, and cmene, as well as sufficiently define and indicate nonstanda= rd > definitions thereof (regardless of their newness or other nature) or of > lujvo; (2) sufficiently identify and explain nonstandard grammatical > structures which appear or are used within the content, or sufficiently > describe the version(s) of the language which they are employing therein. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Any particular policy, decision, work, action, = or other > output by this body shall be explicitly and particularly reviewed against > the provisions of Section 0 and Section 1, particular Section 1 Clause 7, > and the standards thereof prior to its finalization and implementation. > Such review shall be conducted by the Body as a whole or by its leadershi= p. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: When there is doubt within the membership of th= e Body > concerning a potential decision or course of action, its primary preferen= ce > shall be inaction, acceptance, and community-building. > > > Clause 8: > =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: After its first composition (as described in Se= ction 2 > Clause 2), this Body shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80= =8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears plus > six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Then (upon the completion of Section 1 Clause 8 > Subclause A), it =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe disauthorized, dissolved=E2= =80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B > discontinued, and disincorporated in its entirety - unless its lifetime i= s > extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed in part or whole by expl= icit=E2=80=8B > official action of the LLG. This shall constitute the natural expiration = of > the Body. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Upon it=E2=80=8Bs natural expiration=E2=80=8B (= as described in Section 1 > Clause 8 Subclause B)=E2=80=8B, each of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8Bpolicies, standards, work(s), > decisions, and other output shall return to=E2=80=8B and become the direc= t > responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and all documentation by the Body (inc= luding > thereof) shall be permanently given to the sole care of LLG; such things > shall persist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas policies, standards= , work(s), > decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the respo= nsibility > of the LLG=E2=80=8B until: (1) the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherw= ise or modifies or > cancels them;=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or (2) upon the establishment an= d constitution of another > (second) body or organization under the authority of the LLG which has or > shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the Body herein > described (according to Section 0) - in which case, all aforementioned > pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output= =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be > inherited by and devolved to this second body or organization unless > otherwise specified by the LLG. > > Clause 9: > Main provision: All questions or proposals of whether to notify an > external entity or subject (as described in Section 0 or Section 1) must = be > clearly and explicitly stated to the members of the Body in an organized > and easy to find manner during an official meeting of the Body; no extern= al > or externally-oriented action or implementation resulting from or resolvi= ng > such questions or proposals, including any notification, may be conducted > or undertaken in any portion or degree, until the elapse of four full > calendrical days plus a unit of time (which is to be determined by the Bo= dy > according to Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0) after: (1) appropriate debat= e > is held and concluded; (2) a clear, relevant decision is appropriately > developed and agreed to by the members (possibly including the special > determination of the aforementioned unit of time); and (3) explicit and > particular certification of the result regarding its compliance with > Section 1 Clause 7 according to the internal regulations of the body. The > following conditions and procedures shall further apply: > =E2=80=A2 Condition 0 - Determination of Delay: The aforementioned uni= t of time > which is to be determined by the Body for the delay of an implementation = or > action based upon an externally-oriented decision shall in all cases be a= t > least ten full calendrical days. If no special and explicit decision > concerning the value of this unit is made during the accompanying > more-general decision/resolution, or is made in accordance with or by > internal regulations of and by the Body in advance, then its value shall = be > ten full calendrical days. > =E2=80=A2 Condition 1 - Minimal Requirements for Decisions: Appropriat= e and > actionable agreement by the members will, in all cases, be constituted by > the explicit concent of at least a strict majority of the attending membe= rs > and in compliance with further internal regulations made by the Body in > advance. > =E2=80=A2 Condition 2 - Default Decision: Concerning potential externa= l actions > or externally-oriented decisions, the default position and result of any > proposed action or question shall, unless explicitly agreed to by a stric= t > majority of the membership, be utter inaction (including a total lack of > any notification or pressure, or indication thereof, of the external enti= ty > or subject) in anything related to the question of proposal in any manner > whatsoever and compliance with Section 1 Clause 7. If no clear, relevant, > non-default-valued decision for a given question or proposal is > appropriately made and agreed to, then such a default result shall be > perfectly obeyed by the Body and all members thereof. > =E2=80=A2 Procedure 0 - Veto: While the following procedure is underwa= y and in > effect, the aforementioned delay (defined in Main Provision of Section 1 > Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0) shall not elapse further, > instead becoming paused; upon the failure or completion of any attempt at > the utilization of this procedure, such delay shall resume its elapsing > from the state in which it was paused; completion or fulfillment of Step = 0 > or Step 1 shall not pause the elapse of said delay until both Step 0 and > Step 1 are completed and fulfilled. This procedure shall follow the > following steps (where Step 0 and Step 1 are mutually exchangeable): > =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 0: Any non-censored member of the Body can= , for any reason > whatsoever (or none), formally request that the LLG review any > non-default-valued resolution or decision of any such question or proposa= l > described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9; such request must = be > submitted to the LLG in explicit fashion, and in a fashion which the > members of the LLG can understand, within the delaying time interval > described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 > Clause 9 Condition 0. If the LLG is not currently meeting or accepting su= ch > petitions, then the member can instead make explicit (to the other member= s > of the Body) their intentions to do so once the LLG meets and is open to > accepting such petitions; they must fulfill this intention in a timely > manner at the next opportunity to do so, else this Procedure fails (or th= is > Step is not satisfied) and the Body may proceed as if it was never invoke= d. > =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 1: Whilst such notice or intention (as des= cribed in Step 0 > of this Procedure) is made by the member, they are also to explicitly and > clearly notify the Body of the same and of their intended invocation of > this provision (Section 1 Clause 9 Procedure 0); they are to do so within > the unit of time described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 an= d > in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0. > =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 2: Once Step 0 and Step 1 (each of this Pr= ocedure) are > fulfilled (in either order), this Procedure takes effect and all relevant > actions of the Body are to halt immediately and the decision described in > the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 which is relevant to the > invocation of this Procedure shall not be acted upon or implemented or > output in any matter whatsoever until the LLG makes a decision concerning > it and all related discussions. If either Step 0 or Step 1 is not satisfi= ed > within the delay interval described in the Main Provision of Section 1 > Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0, then this Procedure will > not be considered to be underway or in effect, and the Body can proceed a= s > it was and the aforementioned time delay shall continue elapsing (having > never been paused); if Step 0 and Step 1 were both satisfied within the > time delay interval aforementioned, then the elapse of said delay will > immediately halt and be paused. This Step shall apply and be obeyed even = if > its applicability is not recognized by the leadership of the Body in a > sufficiently timely manner. > =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 3: Once such decision (as referenced in St= ep 2 of this > Procedure) is made by the LLG, this Procedure is completed and this Body > shall immediately and fully act accordingly and in good faith with the > decision of the LLG (regardless of their original decision concerning the > question or proposal). If the relevant issue is never resolved by the LLG > during the meeting during which they are notified of the usage of this > procedure, then the default position on the question or proposal shall > fully apply and this Body cannot again entertain or take up such or relat= ed > question or proposal (or other implementation thereof), unless the new > proposal be to cease some relevant action and comply with Section 1 Claus= e > 7, until the LLG so decides; while this lattermost condition applies, thi= s > Procedure shall be considered to be ongoing and in effect. > =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Definitions: The state of being censored, as re= ferenced in this > provision, refers to the provisions of Section 1 Clause 10; the default (= or > default state or default position) herein referenced is that which is > described in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 2. > > Clause 10: The Body shall have the power to censor its own members in a > formal manner. The Body shall, in advance, decide regulations concerning > the censorship of any of their members via unanimous and explicit decisio= n > after appropriate notice to all members. Any decision to actually impleme= nt > the censoring of any member must be made by unanimous decision of all > members, excepting the subject of the proposed censorship, and only upon > appropriate agreement by the LLG; in any case, no state of censorship sha= ll > endure for more than one-hundred forty-four full calendrical days. > Constraints on participation or decision making within the Body which are > to result from censorship shall only be those which accord with and resul= t > from the policy of the LLG (including this charter) and the explicit, pri= or > internal regulations of the Body. > > Clause 11: The Body shall immediately, during its first meeting after > incorporation according to Section 3, undertake to establish internal rul= es > and regulations which satisfy and enable the provisions of this section (= id > est: Section 1). > > ___ > > > *** Section 2 - Composition: > > Clause 0 - Membership: > =E2=80=A2 Subclause A: The Body shall consist of an odd number of memb= ers, > numbering at least five, who shall be members of the community or people > acceptable to the Body and the LLG and who accept their membership to the > Body. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause B: The =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the B= ody shall be =E2=80=8Bselected in > a manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be > determined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Thereafter, all other (later) selections and (i= nternal) > regulations of its membership shall be under the primary, autonomous, and > direct authority and review of the Body itself, subject to the following > conditions: > =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: Any regular/normal selection of ne= w membership > shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years plus s= ix > calendrical months after both the original establishment of this Body and > the incorporation of this Body according to Section 3. > =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 1: Any change to such selection or re= gulation shall > become effective only upon due notice to all members and the elapse of > fourteen full calendrical days after its passage, excepting the case of a= n > emergency as determined by an at-least-two-thirds supermajority of the > attending members. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause D: All membership applications to the Body and not= ice for > such application shall be entirely public. > =E2=80=A2 Subclause E: All eligibility requirements for membership to = the Body > shall be entirely subject to review and change by the LLG and must be > explicitly established, with the explicit permission of the LLG, prior to > the selection of any new membership of the Body. This and other basic > internal regulations shall be the first business to be determined by the > Body during its first official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2. > > Clause 1 - Organization: The Body shall govern and organize itself - and > design and enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, etc. - > =E2=80=8Bautonomously insofar as such does not conflict with the decision= s of the > LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. Such basic = internal > regulations shall be the first business to be determined by the Body duri= ng > its first official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2. > > Clause 2 - Event of Composition and First Meeting: This Body shall be > first composed on the earliest instance of 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1 January = or > 1 June which is at least thirty-six mutually emptily-intersecting, > twenty-four-hour-long intervals after its incorporation (as described in > Section 3). It shall then officially meet for the first time, at a time a= nd > manner according to the wishes of all of its members. Its first business > shall be to determine its basic internal rules and regulations pursuant t= o > each provision of this charter. > > ___ > > > *** Section 3 - Incorporation: > > Clause 0: This body shall be incorporated upon and only upon the > completion and simultaneous fulfillment of each of the following conditio= ns: > =E2=80=A2 Condition 0: The first membership of this Body having been p= roperly > selected, satisfying Section 2 Clause 0 with regard to people who have > capacity and willingness to maintain and realize active membership in the > Body. > =E2=80=A2 Condition 1: A general name for this Body is determined by t= he LLG in > an official act thereof. > =E2=80=A2 Condition 2: Upon review of the purported satisfaction of al= l other > conditions of Section 3 Clause 0 by the LLG, event of an explicit > declaration and granting of incorporation of and to the Body by the LLG > occurs. > > ", > > where: > =E2=80=A2 Any reference to Motion 4 and Motion 5 shall be understood to = refer to > the same motions as those so labelled in this current email chain or any > modification, successor, continuance, or replacement of the same. > > On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Creative Care Services < > comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In addition to the two other proposals regarding unofficial content, >> included below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that = he >> had made three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering >> here is listed below as number six. >> >> This motion is now waiting to see if anyone chooses to second it. >> >> .karis. >> >> >>> *Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences* >>> >>> *Motion 4: "*The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or >>> some body constituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monit= or >>> social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, >>> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way >>> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logic= al >>> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or >>> unofficial - and that such a body shall request such entities to >>> prominently display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and n= ot >>> endorsed by the LLG.*"* >>> * * I noted the following caveat with the original discussion which >>> became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce such requests, ju= st >>> make them. But having an official policy about addressing them may be g= ood >>> and gives us some moral 'standing')"* >>> * * Moved by me, seconded by gleki.* >>> >>> *___* >>> >>> *Unofficialness Disclaimer* >>> >>> *Motion 5: "*All non-official pages or content on *.lojban.org must >>> contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the website is owned and >>> managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents are not >>> necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not >>> reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of th= e >>> same.*"* >>> ** Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gleki.* >>> >>> >> >> >> **** Here it is! **** >> >> >> *Motion 6: "*There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2= =80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B >>> and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -= =E2=80=8B which >>> will=E2=80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as poss= ible) enforce=E2=80=8B the official >>> implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and >>> pursuant to the content of the aforementioned motion proposals *(id >>> est: Motion 4 or Motion 5)*, provided the passage of at least one >>> thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar policy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which s= hall search for >>> either potential violations of the same or appropriate content which sh= ould >>> be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemented policy or other mandate= , >>> and not pertaining to only websites or entities or content subject to t= he >>> aforementioned policies of the LLG); when it finds such content but doe= s >>> not have the authority to pursue such disclaimer with respect to said >>> content, it shall notify the LLG of the situation and its recommendatio= ns >>> pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2=80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, va= cuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B >>> ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals *(Motion 4, Motion 5)* b= oth >>> do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll of this body's authority shall be in= ferior to and >>> subsumed by that of the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the = LLG >>> and it shall not notify or attempt to regulate any entity or content wh= ich >>> is not subject to or the subject of such LLG policy, although it may se= arch >>> for and review such content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially= =E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired >>> design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any= such notice, >>> protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG directly=E2=80= =8B. The body shall >>> consist of an odd number of members, numbering at least five. The body >>> shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG and >>> will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other subjects, >>> according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by the L= LG, >>> as to its standards and policies once such are concretely established= =E2=80=8B. >>> Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total rig= ht of >>> oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for, the >>> body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods o= r works, as >>> well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B or its p= urview; the >>> body shall govern and organize itself and design and enforce its own >>> internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8Binsofar as such d= oes not >>> conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, including the contents= of this >>> motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed on the earliest of=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B the first 1 >>> January or first 1 June after its first membership is chosen, after whi= ch >>> point it shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendri= cal =E2=80=8Byears and six >>> =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bb= e dissolved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and >>> discontinued in its entirety, unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B = and such >>> expiration is delayed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official ac= tion of the >>> LLG; upon it=E2=80=8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80= =8B, all of its =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, >>> standards, work, decisions, and other output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B = and become >>> the direct responsibility of=E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and rem= ain active >>> and valid =E2=80=8Bas =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and = other output=E2=80=8B (as >>> appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the= LLG=E2=80=8B >>> explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon the est= ablishment and constitution >>> of another body or organization under the authority of the LLG which ha= s or >>> shall have purview which nonemptily intersects that of the body herein >>> described (in which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy,= standards, >>> work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited = by and devolved to >>> it unless otherwise specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8B= membership of the >>> body =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in= a manner which the LLG >>> decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determined later=E2= =80=8B by the LLG; >>> thereafter, all other selection and regulation of its membership shall = be >>> under the primary authority and review of the body itself, although any >>> regular selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse= of >>> fully two calendrical years and six calendrical months after the origin= al >>> establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection of its first membershi= p; all >>> membership applications and notice for such application shall be public= ; >>> eligibility requirements for membership to the body shall be subject to >>> review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly established, with >>> explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection of any new >>> membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein constitute= d shall be >>> determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part of, the selection= of >>> its first membership.*=E2=80=8B"* >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --94eb2c0be6bae60fd4056229e8d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What is "syntax-oriented content"?
What is &= quot;zi'evla"? Maybe, fu'ivla?

2018-01-07 1:46 GMT+03:00 Curtis Fran= ks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
I rescind my proposal o= f and support for Motion 6; I 'unmove' it. I hereby proffer and mov= e Motion 6 Amended 1ce, as described next:
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*** Section 0 - Establishment and Purpose= :

Clause 0:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause A: There shal= l herein be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted= ,=E2=80=8B and organized a body=E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of th= e LLG -=E2=80=8B which will=E2=80=8B (according to its discretion) oversee,= =E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enforce=E2=80=8B the= official implementation and application of LLG policy consistent with and = pursuant to the content of whichever of the following items have been passe= d by the LLG and are in effect: (1) any of aforementioned motion proposals = (id est: Motion 4, Motion 5); (2) any similar policy of the LLG which has b= een explicitly delegated to it.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Acc= ording to its discretion, this same body additionally shall search for both= (1) potential violations of the same policies (as in Section 0 Clause 0 Su= bclause A and in accord with Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause C), and (2) any c= ontent whatsoever which should be so disclaimed (regardless of any implemen= ted policy or other mandate, and not necessarily pertaining to only website= s or entities or content subject to the aforementioned policies of the LLG)= and which has been identified to be appropriate for such disclaimer.
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C: Regardless of any other provision of th= e LLG or this motion (excluding Section 1 Clause 7), the primary focus of t= his body shall be on: (1) official-seeming accounts, pages, or other entiti= es which are not clearly personal and which are not endorsed by or under th= e direct control of the LLG; (2) teaching materials concerning topics relat= ed to the LLG; (3) syntax-oriented content which may be confused for being = officially endorsed by the LLG, particular that which makes proposals or an= alysis concerning the structure or functionality of a language; (4) the cur= ation of LLG-associated or officially endorsed websites, publications, and = content within its purview. Only with rare and carefully considered excepti= on will this body concern itself with: (1) particular works in or usages of= any language or version thereof, particularly if they are creative or prim= arily intended to be a non-instructive or position-nonassertive texts/conte= nt concerning the structure or functionality of a language; (2) obviously p= ersonal accounts or users who do not claim official endorsement by the LLG = for the content which they publish. Section 1 Clause 4, Section 1 Clause 5,= and Section 1 Clause 7 shall be its primary legal, moral, operational, and= intentional constraints and shall have dominance over nearly all other con= cerns.

Clause 1: The body described in Section 0 Clause 0 shal= l herein be simply known as "the Body", "this Body", or= (as appropriate) "it"; (note the orthographic casing of the firs= t two options). This motion, upon its passage and entry into force, shall a= ct as the charter for this Body and shall be active policy of the LLG.
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Clause 2: This entire motion shall be inactive, vacuous, ineffecti= ve, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B ignored if: (1) Motion 4 and Motion 5 bot= h do not pass prior to this motion or during the same meeting of the LLG as= that in which this motion was most recently proposed; (2) there is a failu= re to incorporate this Body according to Section 3 by 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1= January A.D. 2020 or within one full calendrical year of the passage of th= is motion by the LLG (whichever is later); or (3) a directive according to = or in the pursuance of Section 1 Clause 4 is issued with the authorities th= erein described.

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*** Section 1 - Op= eration and Constraints:

= Clause 0: This Body will autonomously= regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesired design, implementation, = usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any such notice, protocol, or d= isclaimer pursuant to Section 0=E2=80=8B Clause 0 in the stead of the LLG d= irectly=E2=80=8B.=C2=A0

<= font face=3D"times new roman, serif">Clause 1: The Body shall publish all o= f its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8Bdecision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80= =8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work to the LLG at least one per any twelve-mon= th-long interval or immediately upon the request of the LLG or upon its exp= iration or termination. It shall save and preserve all documentation of suc= h, as a work of the Body, in perpetuity and in unmodified, properly maintai= ned and connected and organized, and complete form. The body shall proffer = any documentation to an appropriate law enforcement or legal official upon = their request.

Clause 2: The Body will notify the pertinent we= bsites and entities and other subjects (pursuant to Section 0 Clause 0), ac= cording to its own discretion or according to the explicit and direct comma= nd by the LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are concretely es= tablished=E2=80=8B. Such notification shall be only in a manner deemed suit= able by the Body and (when appropriate) the LLG directly.

Clau= se 3: Whilst the Body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain total r= ight of oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibility for,= the Body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or methods = or works, as well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2=80=8B= or its purview.

Clause 4: All of this Body's authority sh= all be inferior to, derived from, and subsumed by that of the LLG or the la= w and shall be bounded by any policy or command of the LLG or the law. It s= hall, in good faith, endeavor to totally comply with and fulfill any such p= olicy or command of LLG or the law. It shall also be subject to the followi= ng conditions:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: If the LLG ceases to= exist, then this Body shall immediately cease to exist too.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 1: If this charter becomes inoperable or is totally = deleted or abolished, then this Body shall immediately cease to exist as if= naturally expired (as in Section 1 Clause 8). If Section 0 Clause 2 applie= s or is satisfied, then this charter is deemed to be totally inoperable.
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 3: The LLG (within the restrictions and pe= rmissions of the law) retains the sole right to edit or amend, add to, remo= ve from, or delete or abolish this charter or any policy of the LLG which s= ustains this Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 4: In all cases, th= e law or officers thereof shall be superior to the LLG.

Clause= 5: The Body shall not notify or attempt to in any way regulate or pressure= any entity or content which is not subject to or the subject of such LLG p= olicy - although it may search for and review such content.

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Cl= ause 6: If and when this Body finds such content as that which is described= in Section 0 Clause 0 Subclause B but does not have the authority to pursu= e such disclaimer with respect to said content, or if and when there is lac= k of implemented policy or mandate concerning some content, it shall - acco= rding to its discretion - notify the LLG of the situation and its recommend= ations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B.=E2=80=8B The Body shall take no further= action regarding or relating to such content unless explicitly authorized = to do by the LLG.

Clause 7:
=C2=A0Main provision: Regardle= ss of other provisions of the LLG, the actions of this Body shall be minima= listic, restrained, friendly and non-aggressive, and welcoming of experimen= tation with or in - as well as welcoming of any usage or promotion of - any= version of any language which is endorsed or promoted by the LLG or which = otherwise belongs to the purview or mandate of this Body or of the LLG (col= lectively described herein as "language(s)"). It shall actively e= ncourage further innovation, exploration, usage, promotion, and creative or= technical or casual exercise of such languages in all of its external inte= ractions.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause A: This body never shall att= ack, defame, insult, or pressure (1) any users/authors of or in the relevan= t language(s) (or their associated communities) nor (2) the particular pers= onal usage of any version of any language or other related work; it shall n= ever act in a manner which stifles or discourages anyone from enjoying, exp= loring, using, or promoting any such language; it shall take especial care = regarding interactions with prospective or potentially new users, authors, = and community members, as well as people or entities with whom it has littl= e prior interaction. In such cases, it shall at most request that the autho= r(s): (1) sufficiently define new or experimental cmavo, gismu, rafsi, zi&#= 39;evla, and cmene, as well as sufficiently define and indicate nonstandard= definitions thereof (regardless of their newness or other nature) or of lu= jvo; (2) sufficiently identify and explain nonstandard grammatical structur= es which appear or are used within the content, or sufficiently describe th= e version(s) of the language which they are employing therein.
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=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Any particular policy, decision, work, action,= or other output by this body shall be explicitly and particularly reviewed= against the provisions of Section 0 and Section 1, particular Section 1 Cl= ause 7, and the standards thereof prior to its finalization and implementat= ion. Such review shall be conducted by the Body as a whole or by its leader= ship.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C: When there is doubt within th= e membership of the Body concerning a potential decision or course of actio= n, its primary preference shall be inaction, acceptance, and community-buil= ding.


Clause 8:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause = A: After its first composition (as described in Section 2 Clause 2), this B= ody shall exist for =E2=80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2= =80=8Byears plus six =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: Then (upon the completion of Section 1 Clause 8 S= ubclause A), it =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe disauthorized, dissolved=E2=80= =8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B discontinued, and disincorporated in its enti= rety - unless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is dela= yed in part or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG. This = shall constitute the natural expiration of the Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2= =80=A2 Subclause C: Upon it=E2=80=8Bs natural expiration=E2=80=8B (as descr= ibed in Section 1 Clause 8 Subclause B)=E2=80=8B, each of its =E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicies, standards, work(s), decisions, and other = output shall return to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsibility of=E2= =80=8B the LLG and all documentation by the Body (including thereof) shall = be permanently given to the sole care of LLG; such things shall persist and= remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas policies, standards, work(s), decision= s, and other output=E2=80=8B (as appropriate) of and in the responsibility = of the LLG=E2=80=8B until: (1) the LLG=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwis= e or modifies or cancels them;=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or (2) upon the e= stablishment and constitution of another (second) body or organization unde= r the authority of the LLG which has or shall have purview which nonemptily= intersects that of the Body herein described (according to Section 0) - in= which case, all aforementioned pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work,= decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and de= volved to this second body or organization unless otherwise specified by th= e LLG.

Clause 9:
=C2=A0Main provision: All questions or pr= oposals of whether to notify an external entity or subject (as described in= Section 0 or Section 1) must be clearly and explicitly stated to the membe= rs of the Body in an organized and easy to find manner during an official m= eeting of the Body; no external or externally-oriented action or implementa= tion resulting from or resolving such questions or proposals, including any= notification, may be conducted or undertaken in any portion or degree, unt= il the elapse of four full calendrical days plus a unit of time (which is t= o be determined by the Body according to Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0) af= ter: (1) appropriate debate is held and concluded; (2) a clear, relevant de= cision is appropriately developed and agreed to by the members (possibly in= cluding the special determination of the aforementioned unit of time); and = (3) explicit and particular certification of the result regarding its compl= iance with Section 1 Clause 7 according to the internal regulations of the = body. The following conditions and procedures shall further apply:
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 0 - Determination of Delay: The aforementione= d unit of time which is to be determined by the Body for the delay of an im= plementation or action based upon an externally-oriented decision shall in = all cases be at least ten full calendrical days. If no special and explicit= decision concerning the value of this unit is made during the accompanying= more-general decision/resolution, or is made in accordance with or by inte= rnal regulations of and by the Body in advance, then its value shall be ten= full calendrical days.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 1 - Minimal Re= quirements for Decisions: Appropriate and actionable agreement by the membe= rs will, in all cases, be constituted by the explicit concent of at least a= strict majority of the attending members and in compliance with further in= ternal regulations made by the Body in advance.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 = Condition 2 - Default Decision: Concerning potential external actions or ex= ternally-oriented decisions, the default position and result of any propose= d action or question shall, unless explicitly agreed to by a strict majorit= y of the membership, be utter inaction (including a total lack of any notif= ication or pressure, or indication thereof, of the external entity or subje= ct) in anything related to the question of proposal in any manner whatsoeve= r and compliance with Section 1 Clause 7. If no clear, relevant, non-defaul= t-valued decision for a given question or proposal is appropriately made an= d agreed to, then such a default result shall be perfectly obeyed by the Bo= dy and all members thereof.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Procedure 0 - Veto: = While the following procedure is underway and in effect, the aforementioned= delay (defined in Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Cl= ause 9 Condition 0) shall not elapse further, instead becoming paused; upon= the failure or completion of any attempt at the utilization of this proced= ure, such delay shall resume its elapsing from the state in which it was pa= used; completion or fulfillment of Step 0 or Step 1 shall not pause the ela= pse of said delay until both Step 0 and Step 1 are completed and fulfilled.= This procedure shall follow the following steps (where Step 0 and Step 1 a= re mutually exchangeable):
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2 Step 0: Any non-censored member of the Body can, for any reason whatsoe= ver (or none), formally request that the LLG review any non-default-valued = resolution or decision of any such question or proposal described in the Ma= in Provision of Section 1 Clause 9; such request must be submitted to the L= LG in explicit fashion, and in a fashion which the members of the LLG can u= nderstand, within the delaying time interval described in the Main Provisio= n of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0. If the LLG i= s not currently meeting or accepting such petitions, then the member can in= stead make explicit (to the other members of the Body) their intentions to = do so once the LLG meets and is open to accepting such petitions; they must= fulfill this intention in a timely manner at the next opportunity to do so= , else this Procedure fails (or this Step is not satisfied) and the Body ma= y proceed as if it was never invoked.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2 Step 1: Whilst such notice or intention (as described in Step = 0 of this Procedure) is made by the member, they are also to explicitly and= clearly notify the Body of the same and of their intended invocation of th= is provision (Section 1 Clause 9 Procedure 0); they are to do so within the= unit of time described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in = Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 0.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2 Step 2: Once Step 0 and Step 1 (each of this Procedure) are fulfille= d (in either order), this Procedure takes effect and all relevant actions o= f the Body are to halt immediately and the decision described in the Main P= rovision of Section 1 Clause 9 which is relevant to the invocation of this = Procedure shall not be acted upon or implemented or output in any matter wh= atsoever until the LLG makes a decision concerning it and all related discu= ssions. If either Step 0 or Step 1 is not satisfied within the delay interv= al described in the Main Provision of Section 1 Clause 9 and in Section 1 C= lause 9 Condition 0, then this Procedure will not be considered to be under= way or in effect, and the Body can proceed as it was and the aforementioned= time delay shall continue elapsing (having never been paused); if Step 0 a= nd Step 1 were both satisfied within the time delay interval aforementioned= , then the elapse of said delay will immediately halt and be paused. This S= tep shall apply and be obeyed even if its applicability is not recognized b= y the leadership of the Body in a sufficiently timely manner.
<= div class=3D"gmail_default">=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Step 3: Once such decision (as refer= enced in Step 2 of this Procedure) is made by the LLG, this Procedure is co= mpleted and this Body shall immediately and fully act accordingly and in go= od faith with the decision of the LLG (regardless of their original decisio= n concerning the question or proposal). If the relevant issue is never reso= lved by the LLG during the meeting during which they are notified of the us= age of this procedure, then the default position on the question or proposa= l shall fully apply and this Body cannot again entertain or take up such or= related question or proposal (or other implementation thereof), unless the= new proposal be to cease some relevant action and comply with Section 1 Cl= ause 7, until the LLG so decides; while this lattermost condition applies, = this Procedure shall be considered to be ongoing and in effect.
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Definitions: The state of being cens= ored, as referenced in this provision, refers to the provisions of Section = 1 Clause 10; the default (or default state or default position) herein refe= renced is that which is described in Section 1 Clause 9 Condition 2.=
Clause 10: The Body shall have the power to censor its own members i= n a formal manner. The Body shall, in advance, decide regulations concernin= g the censorship of any of their members via unanimous and explicit decisio= n after appropriate notice to all members. Any decision to actually impleme= nt the censoring of any member must be made by unanimous decision of all me= mbers, excepting the subject of the proposed censorship, and only upon appr= opriate agreement by the LLG; in any case, no state of censorship shall end= ure for more than one-hundred forty-four full calendrical days. Constraints= on participation or decision making within the Body which are to result fr= om censorship shall only be those which accord with and result from the pol= icy of the LLG (including this charter) and the explicit, prior internal re= gulations of the Body.

<= font face=3D"times new roman, serif">Clause 11: The Body shall immediately,= during its first meeting after incorporation according to Section 3, under= take to establish internal rules and regulations which satisfy and enable t= he provisions of this section (id est: Section 1).

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*** Section 2 - Composition:

Clause 0 - Membe= rship:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause A: The Body shall consist of an= odd number of members, numbering at least five, who shall be members of th= e community or people acceptable to the Body and the LLG and who accept the= ir membership to the Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause B: The =E2= =80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the Body shall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a= manner which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be de= termined later=E2=80=8B by the LLG.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Subclause C:= Thereafter, all other (later) selections and (internal) regulations of its= membership shall be under the primary, autonomous, and direct authority an= d review of the Body itself, subject to the following conditions:
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: Any regular/normal = selection of new membership shall not occur prior to the elapse of fully tw= o calendrical years plus six calendrical months after both the original est= ablishment of this Body and the incorporation of this Body according to Sec= tion 3.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Condition 1: Any = change to such selection or regulation shall become effective only upon due= notice to all members and the elapse of fourteen full calendrical days aft= er its passage, excepting the case of an emergency as determined by an at-l= east-two-thirds supermajority of the attending members.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =E2=80=A2 Subclause D: All membership applications to the Body and notice f= or such application shall be entirely public.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Su= bclause E: All eligibility requirements for membership to the Body shall be= entirely subject to review and change by the LLG and must be explicitly es= tablished, with the explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selection = of any new membership of the Body. This and other basic internal regulation= s shall be the first business to be determined by the Body during its first= official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2.

<= div class=3D"gmail_default">Clause 1 = - Organization: The Body shall govern and organize itself - and design and = enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, etc. - =E2=80=8Baut= onomously insofar as such does not conflict with the decisions of the LLG= =E2=80=8B, including the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. Such basic inter= nal regulations shall be the first business to be determined by the Body du= ring its first official meeting according to Section 2 Clause 2.

Clause 2 - Event of Composition and First Meeting: This Body shall be fi= rst composed on the earliest instance of 12:00 (noon) UTC of 1 January or 1= June which is at least thirty-six mutually emptily-intersecting, twenty-fo= ur-hour-long intervals after its incorporation (as described in Section 3).= It shall then officially meet for the first time, at a time and manner acc= ording to the wishes of all of its members. Its first business shall be to = determine its basic internal rules and regulations pursuant to each provisi= on of this charter.

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*** Section 3 - = Incorporation:

Clause 0: This body shall be incorporated upon = and only upon the completion and simultaneous fulfillment of each of the fo= llowing conditions:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 0: The first membe= rship of this Body having been properly selected, satisfying Section 2 Clau= se 0 with regard to people who have capacity and willingness to maintain an= d realize active membership in the Body.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Conditi= on 1: A general name for this Body is determined by the LLG in an official = act thereof.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Condition 2: Upon review of the pur= ported satisfaction of all other conditions of Section 3 Clause 0 by the LL= G, event of an explicit declaration and granting of incorporation of and to= the Body by the LLG occurs.=C2=A0

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= where:
=C2=A0=E2=80=A2 Any reference to Motion 4 and Motion 5 shall be = understood to refer to the same motions as those so labelled in this curren= t email chain or any modification, successor, continuance, or replacement o= f the same.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:50 AM, C= reative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
=
In additi= on to the two other proposals regarding=C2=A0 unofficial content, included = below because this one refers to them, Curtis pointed out that he had made = three rather than two on this topic. The one we are considering here is lis= ted below as number six.

This motion is now waiting to s= ee if anyone chooses to second it.=C2=A0

.karis.= =C2=A0

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Concerning Uno= fficial Social Media Presences

Motion 4: &= quot;The LLG shall adopt an official policy that the LLG or some body c= onstituted by it for such purpose shall search for and monitor social media= or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, groups, communities, bots, e= tc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way whatsoever rel= ate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted logical languages and w= hich are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or unofficial - and th= at such a body shall request such entities to prominently display a disclai= mer stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed by the LLG."<= /b>
=C2=A0* I noted the following caveat with the original disc= ussion which became a motion: "(I do not think that we can enforce suc= h requests, just make them. But having an official policy about addressing = them may be good and gives us some moral 'standing')"
= =C2=A0* Moved by me, seconded by gleki.

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Unofficialness D= isclaimer

Motion 5: "All non-official p= ages or content on *.lojba= n.org=C2=A0must contain a disclaimer stating, at least, that the websit= e is owned and managed by voluntary people, and that the marked contents ar= e not necessarily harmonized with the official design of Lojban and may not= reflect, let alone perfectly comply with, official specifications of the s= ame."
* Moved by me, seconded by at least guskant and gl= eki.
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=C2=A0**** Here it is! **= **


Motion 6: "There shall be =E2=80=8Bauthorized, = =E2=80=8Bestablished=E2=80=8B, constituted,=E2=80=8B and organized a body= =E2=80=8B - under and by the authority of the LLG -=E2=80=8B which will=E2= =80=8B oversee,=E2=80=8B regulate=E2=80=8B, and (insofar as possible) enfor= ce=E2=80=8B the official implementation and application of LLG policy consi= stent with and pursuant=C2=A0to the content of the aforementioned motion pr= oposals=C2=A0(id est: Motion 4 or Motion 5), provided the passage of at least one thereof,=E2=80=8B or any similar po= licy of the LLG=E2=80=8B and which shall search for either potential violat= ions of the same or appropriate content which should be so disclaimed (rega= rdless of any implemented policy or other mandate, and not pertaining to on= ly websites or entities or content subject to the aforementioned policies o= f the LLG); when it finds such content but does not have the authority to p= ursue such disclaimer with respect to said content, it shall notify the LLG= of the situation and its recommendations pertaining to such=E2=80=8B; =E2= =80=8Bthis motion shall be inactive, vacuous, and=E2=80=8B totally=E2=80=8B= ignored if the aforementioned motion proposals=C2=A0(Motio= n 4, Motion 5)=C2=A0both do not pass.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAll= of this body's authority shall be inferior to and subsumed by that of = the LLG and shall be bounded by such policy of the LLG and it shall not not= ify or attempt to regulate any entity or content which is not subject to or= the subject of such LLG policy, although it may search for and review such= content.=E2=80=8B It will regulate the officially=E2=80=8B-=E2=80=8Bdesire= d design, implementation, usage=E2=80=8B, and enforcement =E2=80=8Bof any s= uch notice, protocol, or disclaimer=E2=80=8B in the stead of the LLG direct= ly=E2=80=8B. The body shall consist of an odd number of members, numbering = at least five. The body shall publish all of its =E2=80=8Bdebate, =E2=80=8B= decision=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bs=E2=80=8B, =E2=80=8Band work t= o the LLG and will notify the pertinent websites and entities and other sub= jects, according to its own discretion or explicit and direct command by th= e LLG, as to its standards and policies once such are concretely establishe= d=E2=80=8B. Whilst the body is constituted, the LLG=E2=80=8B shall retain t= otal right of oversight and control over, but not necessarily responsibilit= y for, the body and any of its ouput=E2=80=8B or decisions or actions or me= thods or works, as well as any matter belonging to its domain of purpose=E2= =80=8B or its purview; the body shall govern and organize itself and design= and enforce its own internal rules, its external standards, etc. =E2=80=8B= insofar as such does not conflict with the decisions of the LLG=E2=80=8B, i= ncluding the contents of this motion=E2=80=8B. The body shall be composed o= n the earliest of=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B the first 1 January or first 1 June aft= er its first membership is chosen, after which point it shall exist for =E2= =80=8Bfully =E2=80=8Bfour =E2=80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Byears and six =E2= =80=8Bcalendrical =E2=80=8Bmonths and then =E2=80=8Bshall =E2=80=8Bbe disso= lved=E2=80=8B, disconstituted,=E2=80=8B and discontinued in its entirety, u= nless its lifetime is extended=E2=80=8B and such expiration is delayed in p= art or whole by explicit=E2=80=8B official action of the LLG; upon it=E2=80= =8Bs expiration=E2=80=8B (described previously)=E2=80=8B, all of its =E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other= output shall devolve to=E2=80=8B and become the direct responsibility of= =E2=80=8B the LLG and shall persist and remain active and valid =E2=80=8Bas= =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output=E2=80=8B (as= appropriate) of and in the responsibility of the LLG=E2=80=8B until the LL= G=E2=80=8B explicitly decides otherwise=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B or upon = the establishment and constitution of another body or organization under th= e authority of the LLG which has or shall have purview which nonemptily int= ersects that of the body herein described (in which case, all aforementione= d pertinent =E2=80=8Bpolicy, standards, work, decisions, and other output= =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bshall be inherited by and devolved to it unless otherwis= e specified by the LLG); the =E2=80=8Bfirst =E2=80=8Bmembership of the body= =E2=80=8Bherein constituted =E2=80=8Bshall be =E2=80=8Bselected in a manne= r which the LLG decides =E2=80=8Bto be appropriate, which shall be determin= ed later=E2=80=8B by the LLG; thereafter, all other selection and regulatio= n of its membership shall be under the primary authority and review of the = body itself, although any regular selection of new membership shall not occ= ur prior to the elapse of fully two calendrical years and six calendrical m= onths after the original establishment of the body=E2=80=8B and selection o= f its first membership; all membership applications and notice for such app= lication shall be public; eligibility=C2=A0requirements for membership to t= he body shall be subject to review and change by the LLG and must be explic= itly established, with explicit permission of the LLG, prior to the selecti= on of any new membership of the body.=E2=80=8B The name of the body herein = constituted shall be determined by the LLG during or prior to, and as part = of, the selection of its first membership.=E2=80=8B"
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