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From: guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 20:37:45 -0500
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I'm waiting for the time of discussion for new business. Since all my
motions for new business have been ignored by the LLG for two years, I
have nothing to move concerning the unfinished business. The motions I
prepare will be separated into two threads: the copyright suggestion
and the creation of the official website. As I showed you the draft of
one of the motions, the motion will not mention Gleki's name.
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/private/llg-members/2017-September/001521.html


2018-01-09 18:55 GMT-05:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
> Guskant,
>
> The request had been made to you personally and in discussions by several
> people, including officers, that you refrain from accusatory comments
> against Gleki. If you wish to discuss your concerns about the situations you
> list please retype them removing reference to Gleki by name in each
> instance. This is a place to discuss possible solutions, not a forum for
> rehashing personal attacks whether you believe them warranted or not.
>
> If you will make a motion that is within these guidelines, then a discussion
> can occur.
>
> .karis.
>
> On Jan 8, 2018 04:02, "guskant" <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I did not second the motion because it seems excessive for removing or
>> avoiding the current and the future disorder about what is the
>> official information.
>>
>> Anyone can create accounts on social media that may deceive people
>> into believing that it were owned by the LLG. The number of such
>> accounts should be finite but can be very large, and then it will be
>> too much work for a small group to investigate the nastiness of each
>> account. The problem can be solved in another way: if the LLG has an
>> official website and declare on the top page that the LLG does not own
>> any accounts on any social media, people will become aware of the
>> deceit. The real problem is that the LLG has no official website that
>> should be under control of the LLG, and therefore it is impossible
>> that the LLG would declare something on a top page of a website.
>>
>> Currently, the following information is out of control of the LLG, and
>> actually deceives people into believing that the information were
>> approved by the LLG:
>>
>> - All files under https://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ that is a symbolic
>> link of Gleki's personal directory:
>> http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/
>> - most of mediawiki or tiki pages under *.lojban.org that are managed
>> by volunteers with no rule
>> - All repositories of Gleki's la-lojban https://github.com/la-lojban ,
>> some of which are published as web pages under
>> https://la-lojban.github.io/ .
>> - All repositories of the Lojban Coders' Group
>> https://github.com/lojban that are managed by volunteers with no rule,
>> some of which are published as web pages under
>> https://lojban.github.io/ .
>>
>> The LLG can ask the administrators of them for adding a disclaimer on
>> each webpage that the contents are out of control of the LLG, but such
>> a petition may be ignored by the administrators. Instead, it would be
>> a certain counter-measure to create an official website of the LLG and
>> to declare on the top page that the LLG is not responsible for the
>> contents on any other websites like *.lojban.org, la-lojban.github.io
>> or lojban.github.io. My last motion would solve the problem, though it
>> was ignored and not discussed by the LLG.
>>
>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/private/llg-members/2017-February/001357.html
>>
>> mi'e la guskant
>>
>>
>> 2018-01-08 6:23 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
>> > I would like to hear from .guskant. about this.
>> >
>> > On Dec 29, 2017 03:06, "Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I propose (not quite as a motion) that the LLG adopt an official policy
>> >> that the LLG or some body constituted by it for such purpose search for
>> >> and
>> >> monitor social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles,
>> >> groups,
>> >> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any way
>> >> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted
>> >> logical
>> >> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, or
>> >> unofficial - and that such a body requests such entities to prominently
>> >> display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and not endorsed
>> >> by
>> >> the LLG.
>> >>
>> >> (I do not think that we can enforce such requests, just make them. But
>> >> having an official policy about addressing them may be good and gives
>> >> us
>> >> some moral 'standing')
>> >
>> >
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