Received: from localhost ([::1]:49324 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eZGI7-0003f9-Np; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:19:39 -0800 Received: from mail-ua0-f173.google.com ([209.85.217.173]:46405) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eZGHb-0003e2-7q for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:19:08 -0800 Received: by mail-ua0-f173.google.com with SMTP id u2so3241365uad.13 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:19:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=d8pOGbr1SsOjpPFrV9skoCYO7T9PXH9DeAy+M7wdVCs=; b=qcJPyDjUymzUuJ1PP+v1kxW6WhaPxUER536EwkTwp+Eu6VUHVynw13tjnDhddQHY3S IFx/BpL4Zd+sp22RYeFYRJM1BIepn8XYorc9vhpoLRyPOS0qYYJzqyfeeOTZkCtCu/vi mBPuMip6sHgzK794i0IhyeAxES7DsD9JF7hO800QDQO9XYhgEuo1N2OKmL2qEGn7DFdg D1TCZ/h62Fuob9nQ9n6XB0KvKBikGmz/qjraJi6AlSwrqm3hyumESgYjOSZQUh6LCVZL tje/FxjwJoxdCWRtlMnZh7pT7iphAeRhpzt+7J/ZD2QT/G64co0fIwOtvDDTY2JFVMHA YnYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=d8pOGbr1SsOjpPFrV9skoCYO7T9PXH9DeAy+M7wdVCs=; b=FF9oh49qKmNhmxwuoHVTIzA4TnHeA5/YvwSFc7E0azeXwebcVhRaAyM+mPN8DbQm+x VFre0KJ8y9UCgfnX67rkoJ+la24Dp/HhP1JJrwCqxeXBac9cqR9ihgqTko3hxi3nbkPP 91g1i63Plokmd0z69+hKZ8ddMyPyr9R72193R2KHfvkC1FrrDwu3Mk7R5/7lyqf7/46+ l9xIIEwO4TPyl5Vbuv0rIHP2b8a9l2y1bgq8tad3B4fF+tGJTchZIbl4pJuVpFTrXikq 793ES2BtW5WkKa7IB1CYmBDQDIqLnzRJLFtJ3tPl4w3SmXQZfL6GphCL/9DJzGVh99GM 9YcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJsVmIj5uBjpqsaiKGadlFkpksbzTVjhnhvCvQkgo4P8pSDlGPM xBGh3uFegiuv9/n+toXznbyegeVTlQ3sJyfMgMg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBoukyTp7eyJ68dYRKyPXZKfActa9AWkC3bl41QDGlcknjgsmQLRaenJmDuJF1JaIbu9prhQqLl+UWeQ5hHWrI6U= X-Received: by 10.159.37.227 with SMTP id 90mr19281562uaf.166.1515590339961; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:18:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:18:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Creative Care Services Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:18:59 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2114983002810470846==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============2114983002810470846== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113b0bf2d6adb705626bdf96" --001a113b0bf2d6adb705626bdf96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did not mean that we should not list individuals by name in other capacities, but was specifically warning against falling back into the accusations which started this topic. On Jan 10, 2018 08:05, "selpahi" wrote: > On 10.01.2018 00:55, Creative Care Services wrote: > >> Guskant, >> >> The request had been made to you personally and in discussions by severa= l >> people, including officers, that you refrain from accusatory comments >> against Gleki. If you wish to discuss your concerns about the situations >> you list please retype them removing reference to Gleki by name in each >> instance. This is a place to discuss possible solutions, not a forum for >> rehashing personal attacks whether you believe them warranted or not. >> >> If you will make a motion that is within these guidelines, then a >> discussion can occur. >> > > Sorry, but guskant's mail that you responded to was a factual listing of > the different existing web presences that sound like official Lojban site= s > but are managed by unaffiliated individuals (or groups), so I have to sta= nd > up for guskant here. It cannot be forbidden to mention someone's name in = a > mere listing if they happen to be one of the owners/admins/etc of those w= eb > presences. Since the topic *is* those possibly deceptive web presences, > they should be listed in full so that everyone (especially those unfamili= ar > with the situation) can follow and judge the extent of the problem > properly. Obviously, the motion itself will have to be more abstract, but > we're not at New Business yet and guskant is/was still trying to get > everyone to even understand the situation in the first place, since many > are/were still unaware. > > ~~~mi'e la selpa'i > > --- > Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr=C3=BCft. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a113b0bf2d6adb705626bdf96 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did not mean that we should not list individuals by nam= e in other capacities, but was specifically warning against falling back in= to the accusations which started this topic.

On Jan 10, 2018 08:05, "selpahi"= <selpahi@selpahi.de> wrote= :
On 10.01.2018 00:5= 5, Creative Care Services wrote:
Guskant,

The request had been made to you personally and in discussions by several p= eople, including officers, that you refrain from accusatory comments agains= t Gleki. If you wish to discuss your concerns about the situations you list= please retype them removing reference to Gleki by name in each instance. T= his is a place to discuss possible solutions, not a forum for rehashing per= sonal attacks whether you believe them warranted or not.

If you will make a motion that is within these guidelines, then a discussio= n can occur.

Sorry, but guskant's mail that you responded to was a factual listing o= f the different existing web presences that sound like official Lojban site= s but are managed by unaffiliated individuals (or groups), so I have to sta= nd up for guskant here. It cannot be forbidden to mention someone's nam= e in a mere listing if they happen to be one of the owners/admins/etc of th= ose web presences. Since the topic *is* those possibly deceptive web presen= ces, they should be listed in full so that everyone (especially those unfam= iliar with the situation) can follow and judge the extent of the problem pr= operly. Obviously, the motion itself will have to be more abstract, but we&= #39;re not at New Business yet and guskant is/was still trying to get every= one to even understand the situation in the first place, since many are/wer= e still unaware.

~~~mi'e la selpa'i

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