Received: from localhost ([::1]:49410 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eZGLK-0003o4-Fn; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:22:58 -0800 Received: from mail-vk0-f49.google.com ([209.85.213.49]:33561) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eZGKn-0003mz-9X for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:22:27 -0800 Received: by mail-vk0-f49.google.com with SMTP id w22so3075319vkw.0 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:22:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MU1ED0EWBSNdbCZDe7AKt54U4nulG5o+bz8Cg8/lRyo=; b=pvkYofzyNYmBg9BH/3NxMwBkqIOWml6ZHxALlj7x11ERk79ZlH2mbJBv07nKjFyCvm jd7jyyvpO4kHJ6IIqPJOmH+Ml/Bb2ARZYb99FvlX0FSwepcZdvhv5u7D7Oiu1ykXljdA 9tyMfKzSvp9u1YWNN9AfhKtzrv8bRQ5DZ1fVjp91v07X23N9lrnb7uipcLEGBqw4ZGsx mm/QanWvJow3wGK6MN7vRXZ18UX+g6JAzjHkznZjmNbKhTz/PMZ1SRf+qB6oD0pXKQhG zW5Eu7pOOobo0ZY03jb9M+gKrYf4sM0TvmC0Oh00jWIzkmeGP1yFrE715eIfTzZToqck nMkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=MU1ED0EWBSNdbCZDe7AKt54U4nulG5o+bz8Cg8/lRyo=; b=B4GBQ2gpxly7sA3KXaph4hxAWy9YyQy4l+D4n4Wphw0h4UBlIdaohHHr55nejLFeeQ 51qqXnn6vR9vOB5X9frS9o5LFSMplu0fWSmDokSf4tXTQE3SuGPRHWkfO9t0sQgjwF98 Xi7M+dx0an7rGcodI55xQwJInzGddR30ZQWv4BlSSqrOl2tMadnYienuVdDDIIdPPQex JOf8f5aW9zDBm8LMxfYmr/Mwxt+4CRWLmWnCkfjYfGuYaxA2AihFiUujzvzheM+5cDHT a5derPJChM+GEzUllVtmqyCqqZWdfwgASiGm6MKAJd1hbbSuxQKnJlEK8gB96JuAdteM J1MQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytcV13zFakfIOXeCycfsmS8rdcW5xsEHzbZwvxWdDXx4ZQwoeBfn vSTSBC/KlNgN9nQGu2MBiAmg4+bPo/kPVYfGKkA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBoujg2Aj2KQFK7KVTjyFDa89jLJadx/4cWhJyyw2faPWEx3Vorfl/UpxMK3n+Fjt2Eo5I0DM5oRs9YymQx8TVt0= X-Received: by 10.31.155.82 with SMTP id d79mr17239674vke.119.1515590538690; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:22:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.176.27.18 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:22:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Creative Care Services Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:22:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Concerning Unofficial Social Media Presences X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3494996695826371598==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3494996695826371598== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11425afaaf086a05626beb1b" --001a11425afaaf086a05626beb1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thank you for your patience. .karis. On Jan 9, 2018 20:38, "guskant" wrote: > I'm waiting for the time of discussion for new business. Since all my > motions for new business have been ignored by the LLG for two years, I > have nothing to move concerning the unfinished business. The motions I > prepare will be separated into two threads: the copyright suggestion > and the creation of the official website. As I showed you the draft of > one of the motions, the motion will not mention Gleki's name. > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/private/llg-members/ > 2017-September/001521.html > > > 2018-01-09 18:55 GMT-05:00 Creative Care Services : > > Guskant, > > > > The request had been made to you personally and in discussions by several > > people, including officers, that you refrain from accusatory comments > > against Gleki. If you wish to discuss your concerns about the situations > you > > list please retype them removing reference to Gleki by name in each > > instance. This is a place to discuss possible solutions, not a forum for > > rehashing personal attacks whether you believe them warranted or not. > > > > If you will make a motion that is within these guidelines, then a > discussion > > can occur. > > > > .karis. > > > > On Jan 8, 2018 04:02, "guskant" wrote: > >> > >> I did not second the motion because it seems excessive for removing or > >> avoiding the current and the future disorder about what is the > >> official information. > >> > >> Anyone can create accounts on social media that may deceive people > >> into believing that it were owned by the LLG. The number of such > >> accounts should be finite but can be very large, and then it will be > >> too much work for a small group to investigate the nastiness of each > >> account. The problem can be solved in another way: if the LLG has an > >> official website and declare on the top page that the LLG does not own > >> any accounts on any social media, people will become aware of the > >> deceit. The real problem is that the LLG has no official website that > >> should be under control of the LLG, and therefore it is impossible > >> that the LLG would declare something on a top page of a website. > >> > >> Currently, the following information is out of control of the LLG, and > >> actually deceives people into believing that the information were > >> approved by the LLG: > >> > >> - All files under https://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ that is a symbolic > >> link of Gleki's personal directory: > >> http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/ > >> - most of mediawiki or tiki pages under *.lojban.org that are managed > >> by volunteers with no rule > >> - All repositories of Gleki's la-lojban https://github.com/la-lojban , > >> some of which are published as web pages under > >> https://la-lojban.github.io/ . > >> - All repositories of the Lojban Coders' Group > >> https://github.com/lojban that are managed by volunteers with no rule, > >> some of which are published as web pages under > >> https://lojban.github.io/ . > >> > >> The LLG can ask the administrators of them for adding a disclaimer on > >> each webpage that the contents are out of control of the LLG, but such > >> a petition may be ignored by the administrators. Instead, it would be > >> a certain counter-measure to create an official website of the LLG and > >> to declare on the top page that the LLG is not responsible for the > >> contents on any other websites like *.lojban.org, la-lojban.github.io > >> or lojban.github.io. My last motion would solve the problem, though it > >> was ignored and not discussed by the LLG. > >> > >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/private/llg-members/ > 2017-February/001357.html > >> > >> mi'e la guskant > >> > >> > >> 2018-01-08 6:23 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks : > >> > I would like to hear from .guskant. about this. > >> > > >> > On Dec 29, 2017 03:06, "Curtis Franks" > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I propose (not quite as a motion) that the LLG adopt an official > policy > >> >> that the LLG or some body constituted by it for such purpose search > for > >> >> and > >> >> monitor social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, profiles, > >> >> groups, > >> >> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities") which in any > way > >> >> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG-adopted > >> >> logical > >> >> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-promoting, > or > >> >> unofficial - and that such a body requests such entities to > prominently > >> >> display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and not > endorsed > >> >> by > >> >> the LLG. > >> >> > >> >> (I do not think that we can enforce such requests, just make them. > But > >> >> having an official policy about addressing them may be good and gives > >> >> us > >> >> some moral 'standing') > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Llg-members mailing list > >> > Llg-members@lojban.org > >> > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Llg-members mailing list > >> Llg-members@lojban.org > >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Llg-members mailing list > > Llg-members@lojban.org > > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a11425afaaf086a05626beb1b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for your patience.

<= div dir=3D"auto">.karis.=C2=A0

On Jan 9, 2018 20:38, "guskant" <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm waiting for t= he time of discussion for new business. Since all my
motions for new business have been ignored by the LLG for two years, I
have nothing to move concerning the unfinished business. The motions I
prepare will be separated into two threads: the copyright suggestion
and the creation of the official website. As I showed you the draft of
one of the motions, the motion will not mention Gleki's name.
http://mail.lojban.org/= mailman/private/llg-members/2017-September/001521.html


2018-01-09 18:55 GMT-05:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
> Guskant,
>
> The request had been made to you personally and in discussions by seve= ral
> people, including officers, that you refrain from accusatory comments<= br> > against Gleki. If you wish to discuss your concerns about the situatio= ns you
> list please retype them removing reference to Gleki by name in each > instance. This is a place to discuss possible solutions, not a forum f= or
> rehashing personal attacks whether you believe them warranted or not.<= br> >
> If you will make a motion that is within these guidelines, then a disc= ussion
> can occur.
>
> .karis.
>
> On Jan 8, 2018 04:02, "guskant" <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I did not second the motion because it seems excessive for removin= g or
>> avoiding the current and the future disorder about what is the
>> official information.
>>
>> Anyone can create accounts on social media that may deceive people=
>> into believing that it were owned by the LLG. The number of such >> accounts should be finite but can be very large, and then it will = be
>> too much work for a small group to investigate the nastiness of ea= ch
>> account. The problem can be solved in another way: if the LLG has = an
>> official website and declare on the top page that the LLG does not= own
>> any accounts on any social media, people will become aware of the<= br> >> deceit. The real problem is that the LLG has no official website t= hat
>> should be under control of the LLG, and therefore it is impossible=
>> that the LLG would declare something on a top page of a website. >>
>> Currently, the following information is out of control of the LLG,= and
>> actually deceives people into believing that the information were<= br> >> approved by the LLG:
>>
>> - All files under https://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ that is a symbolic
>> link of Gleki's personal directory:
>> http://vrici.lojban.org/~gl= eki/mediawiki-1.19.2/extensions/
>> - most of mediawiki or tiki pages under *.lojban.org that are managed<= br> >> by volunteers with no rule
>> - All repositories of Gleki's la-lojban https://github.com/= la-lojban ,
>> some of which are published as web pages under
>> https://la-lojban.github.io/ .
>> - All repositories of the Lojban Coders' Group
>> https://github.com/lojban that are managed by volunteers with = no rule,
>> some of which are published as web pages under
>> https://lojban.github.io/ .
>>
>> The LLG can ask the administrators of them for adding a disclaimer= on
>> each webpage that the contents are out of control of the LLG, but = such
>> a petition may be ignored by the administrators. Instead, it would= be
>> a certain counter-measure to create an official website of the LLG= and
>> to declare on the top page that the LLG is not responsible for the=
>> contents on any other websites like *.lojban.org, la-lojban.github.io=
>> or lojban.github.io. My last motion would solve the problem, t= hough it
>> was ignored and not discussed by the LLG.
>>
>> http://mail.loj= ban.org/mailman/private/llg-members/2017-February/001357.html=
>>
>> mi'e la guskant
>>
>>
>> 2018-01-08 6:23 GMT+00:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
>> > I would like to hear from .guskant. about this.
>> >
>> > On Dec 29, 2017 03:06, "Curtis Franks" <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I propose (not quite as a motion) that the LLG adopt an o= fficial policy
>> >> that the LLG or some body constituted by it for such purp= ose search for
>> >> and
>> >> monitor social media or blog platforms, accounts, pages, = profiles,
>> >> groups,
>> >> communities, bots, etc. (hereafter called "entities&= quot;) which in any way
>> >> whatsoever relate to, promote, or use Lojban or other LLG= -adopted
>> >> logical
>> >> languages and which are not clearly human, personal, non-= promoting, or
>> >> unofficial - and that such a body requests such entities = to prominently
>> >> display a disclaimer stating that they are unofficial and= not endorsed
>> >> by
>> >> the LLG.
>> >>
>> >> (I do not think that we can enforce such requests, just m= ake them. But
>> >> having an official policy about addressing them may be go= od and gives
>> >> us
>> >> some moral 'standing')
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Llg-members mailing list
>> > Llg-members@lojban.= org
>> > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman= /listinfo/llg-members
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Llg-members mailing list
>> Llg-members@lojban.org
>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/list= info/llg-members
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Llg-members mailing list
> Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo= /llg-members
>

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