Received: from localhost ([::1]:54444 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ec3zg-0006f2-Mk; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:48:12 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:33172) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ec3zA-0006e7-0Z for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:47:41 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id x4so1192731wmc.0 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:47:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WOYHidHfX7eGRHnzJvQtU7CMRzOGrfWKA/ocFuQKMUw=; b=SgVdQJyIOe3CU8gni3ofy0T2EDjOlhOM9/gb59nV9/hb2nQHDFmbswK+3sXz2NgWD2 igGONU/gJRAAjro/MZbbKAiCj+hZKU2m9RLmMXltbac7pEbYai5VejL+OlulMV6ITKAG BUUe9lmw+g82sGOnQ/3GWM5uiXRFH8km0wM5GaSUnMyvHlXwTAmx893rs/vnGaUJVZ22 F85CTgOv3CkYh3Z3u7h29IWk981Li/zgmwLrKGbDNWGzaRSflpfz4NFjVeXAVnhjd7bg fM9EXsFqQBlqDqnGKfvfrmh32rqrPLvMBVXz4hW6oopmfMrI62dzrk8qIoShzL+raAo2 I9BQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=WOYHidHfX7eGRHnzJvQtU7CMRzOGrfWKA/ocFuQKMUw=; b=a8bbsJKe/zJCk1/ISzdSn1YTWEq5F9Z0uVcqPuOSUaHkhXkKdDhQIGEpzzZAh3SJFA dS9zg40w/zI6P1ZZ6UR7h0rzXaYeGQPaY/3XUqfwaPGuDc9GVaPBRBNbMbzXc8CJEjD0 aicr4HeJCeHevyByfgCyr4W/SRwp3aJKvoggL6DsbgcApQPbkqDjGmpt0rQD0lRW1crn /O20BjYzmVe2XP92l3NAfYSJkNHIylm+Z0HJcOb2vX56IeKYupHxiPaL5q3TW4NgB5qd Onh8egWM534OEalhI6aJmpxcCqxlAESJwaHQ4D81JF2JusT5c7VS9We8VEPDpL5zen2M B8oA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxyteyqpyrkUcdChrBdYw6GzjDhxXvVN24AJMCzRePKo5wmWIdQbLg ZMfK1CdpN3HefA0KN4XqheU0e/oJ6LEfdEXP6sEj X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBou1M1fbF0ruLZmirv2w7h9Mb2C7VFuBZvoswgNmgcIgqCIRCbMsNp7qUDncOV3Zr2Pkq0tY3a1Bw3PmezIxHME= X-Received: by 10.80.148.49 with SMTP id p46mr6245837eda.237.1516258052994; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:47:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.173.219 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 22:46:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:46:52 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Summary of Votes X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8719496688041665125==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8719496688041665125== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045c2cd4a2fb5b05630756bb" --f403045c2cd4a2fb5b05630756bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm gonna vote for all of them at once once again. But in future let's have a google doc/piratepad/... 2018-01-17 10:25 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > I can summarize them for now because I was intending to go to sleep soon > and it would take a decent amount of work to collect them. If someone else > wants to do it, then I would not be upset ( :P ). > > Motion #1: Adopt the policy that the LLG shall advocate for and support > loglangs. It exactly defines "loglang" for the purposes of this motion and > the subsequent two separate motions. > i'enai (no clue what is loglang, I asked for examples, got no real examples. PAS is a thing from theoretical linguistics whereas Lojban is a real thing). I think it's not nice to work in a vacuum. LLG might want to approve specific works in future. > Motion #1 amended-version: Same as Motion #1 proper, except the definition > (really, a description) of "loglang" is broader and left vague; the > precious criterion is sufficient here but would not necessarily be > necessary. This description would propagate to the next two separate > motions as well. > i'enai sai (even worse, I can claim English is a loglang, what's next?) > Motion #2: Adopt the policy that the LLG shall advocate for and support > Lojban, regardless of its categorization as a loglang according to any > given definition (particularly that of either version of Motion #1). > Presumably, we would have to find some consensus on which Lojban is meant. > i'e > > Motion #3: Adopt the policy that the LLG shall advocate for and support > the development of some loglang which is derived from Lojban, where > "loglang" would align with the adopted version of Motion #1. > i'e nai (we can't even do with Lojban from proposal 2) > Motion #4: Adopt a policy in which the LLG will search for so-called > 'official-seeming' accounts and request that the disclaim their lack of > affiliation with the LLG and of support/grant of officialness therefrom. > Exactly who would oversee this effort was not addressed. > i'enai > > Motion #5: Adopt a policy in which unofficial content on *.lojban.org > will be disclaimed as such. Exactly who would oversee this effort was not > addressed. > i'e > > Motion #6: Sets up a separate body in order to implement Motion #4 or > Motion #5 (rather than leaving those policies toothless or leaving them to > the LLG to directly oversee). The wording was a bit problematic in regard > to which of those two motions would be covered by the body, but the > intention was to only implement those policies which are adopted, if any. > Abstain > > Motion #6 Amended 1ce: Same thing as Motion #6 proper in spirit, but with > the aforementioned wording problem fixed, improved presentation/organization, > and some protections put in place in order address fears and concerns which > had been raised. > Abstain > > The last motion which I mentioned is self-explanatory in my original > description. > > > On Jan 17, 2018 00:34, "Thomas Porter" > wrote: > > >I'm totally lost. Can you post links to each of your motions? > > I, too, would like a link to all the current motions. Most of them got > tossed into my spam folder and they seem to be in a very disorganized > fashion. > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --f403045c2cd4a2fb5b05630756bb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm gonna vote for all of them at once once again.But in future let's have a google doc/piratepad/...

2018-01-17 10:25 GMT+03:00 Cur= tis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
I can summarize = them for now because I was intending to go to sleep soon and it would take = a decent amount of work to collect them. If someone else wants to do it, th= en I would not be upset ( :P ).

Motion #1: Adopt the policy that the LLG shall advocate for and support l= oglangs. It exactly defines "loglang" for the purposes of this mo= tion and the subsequent two separate motions.
=
i'enai=C2=A0
(no clue what is loglang, I asked= for examples, got no real examples. PAS is a thing from theoretical lingui= stics whereas Lojban is a real thing).

I think it&= #39;s not nice to work in a vacuum. LLG might want to approve specific work= s in future.


Mot= ion #1 amended-version: Same as Motion #1 proper, except the definition (re= ally, a description) of "loglang" is broader and left vague; the = precious criterion is sufficient here but would not necessarily be necessar= y. This description would propagate to the next two separate motions as wel= l.

i'enai sai
(even worse, I can claim English is a loglang, what's next?= )


Motion #2:=C2= =A0Adopt the policy that the LLG sha= ll advocate for and support Lojban, regardless of its categorization as a l= oglang according to any given definition (particularly that of either versi= on of Motion #1). Presumably, we would have to find some consensus on which= Lojban is meant.

i'= e
=C2=A0
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Mo= tion #3:=C2=A0Adopt the polic= y that the LLG shall advocate for and support the development of some logla= ng which is derived from Lojban, where "loglang" would align with= the adopted version of Motion #1.

=
i'e nai (we can't even do with Lojban from proposal 2)= =C2=A0



Motion #4: Adopt a policy in which the LLG will search for so-called = 9;official-seeming' accounts and request that the disclaim their lack o= f affiliation=C2=A0with the LLG and of support/grant of officialness theref= rom. Exactly who would oversee this effort was not addressed.
<= /div>

i'enai
=C2=A0

Motion #5: Adopt a policy in which unofficial content on= *.lojban.org will be d= isclaimed as such. Exactly who would oversee this effort was not addressed.=

i'e
=C2= =A0

Motion #6: Sets up a separate body in order= to implement Motion #4 or Motion #5 (rather than leaving those policies to= othless or leaving them to the LLG to directly oversee). The wording was a = bit problematic in regard to which of those two motions would be covered by= the body, but the intention was to only implement those policies which are= adopted, if any.

Abstai= n
=C2=A0
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Motion #6 Amended 1ce: Same = thing as Motion #6 proper in spirit, but with the aforementioned=C2=A0wordi= ng problem fixed, improved=C2=A0presentation/organization, and some pr= otections put in place in order address fears and concerns which had been r= aised.

Abstain
=C2=A0

The last motion which I mentioned is se= lf-explanatory in my original description.


On Jan 17, 2018 00:34, "Thomas Porter" <osiris_hades_deathland= @hotmail.com> wrote:

>I'm totally lost. Can= you post links to each of your motions?


I, too, would like a link to all the current motions. Most of them got= tossed into my spam folder and they seem to be in a very disorganized fash= ion.

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