Received: from localhost ([::1]:53846 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1egcrr-0004L3-52; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:50:59 -0800 Received: from mail-vk0-f42.google.com ([209.85.213.42]:36684) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1egcrL-0004Ij-CJ for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:50:28 -0800 Received: by mail-vk0-f42.google.com with SMTP id m197so7682757vka.3 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:50:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SN1eZGdy8jVaDpKRaB1NqYRFSLrF+cqY/eTkrgX29Sk=; b=i5/GcHNA6W9iW4oV9/pjipEuoOR/gNIvvbXyTzEu1Swwb5PirabenPxOjlUlyYzjTZ ttN8whipfojstVJOgcQMbIKy8ipvHGI7+luMD/cQttKXIx6OQFZQDjZt12GIKcyMT01S tsWvionQTBfirUpf9Bv7UCstQVC9FGJ2JnVoNi/hpYbnUC8oekAY4qypMk1Sv+60sTq7 hHR8PfK5zYmcXg22+8tYZ+HRReUjI9NjMdmr60qrYN4vAM3nEB1Hz9Z7kjPcW5dwrgUN JXMa3qOEGolpXYp4tyV37N1qWRkJqbx72Q1+/YVWk1ep5ZjfJNBZSm4TuraMDIYREEiK EusA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=SN1eZGdy8jVaDpKRaB1NqYRFSLrF+cqY/eTkrgX29Sk=; b=A61Go3BhZhMO8thmkC9uuAdkbqJCkMLIFT6SI5QIsyNt+ZiJKlXgXMFY7EUYtTu7bw EbWeT8LjkrEIRrGEQin7Frw6HWutEeAJAHkhqsoYSzAnr1PjkOd511a/obMgSV4/9MyP i2U3cu8sTqc8jOps0V4ueERJXvwuZ5ck4bb7blaaTgsJW5wtLtLwwqtlkxHjDASpgQJu Rn1bGDO2X+K5UJjeyTJR8movCRicad1eLDITUjOhp4YrA7Ycjlp0D/P5+RlBhkYE7Ywl 31STmVRiSktKHEavAXjREtVyv468EbHWvem431ByRmxruM9OK2/0Ufrggmaw84uVeGrY Sn0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxyteFN4FgFlcfDseGQOnSXtbzhMSZBWbUWemQin4VRuQ4MGOus0AT M9aS2oKHmyI7svQiEkSQdB/ooxSWv/4QAXbnaks= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226CEpi4Dc6yvf3G91T9GKxpAWfTRERtU5HKNCaa13dorTsfmZkbk66C869ZzWY1XWB+5h2D2ot66BMepZ9PpQ0= X-Received: by 10.31.5.203 with SMTP id 194mr23885805vkf.59.1517345420440; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:50:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.63.12 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.159.63.12 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:50:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Creative Care Services Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 15:50:19 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Motions regarding LLG goals X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7816906847725650370==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7816906847725650370== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1143d926c97933056404825f" --001a1143d926c97933056404825f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I have seen almost no discussion on these three proposals, I am that anyone with something to say on the matter post it here. The seconds are included and I'll repost the only comment that was attached .karis. On Jan 5, 2018 4:21 AM, "Creative Care Services" wrote: Curtis has made three related movements, all seconded (without the amendment Curtis made to number 3) by Selpa'i. Since Selpa'i specifically had not included Curtis' amendment to number 3, that motion does not include the amendment I request that Curtis make this amendment as an add on if he still wants it included Motion 1. The LLG shall adopt, as a principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals), the intention of exploration and promotion of logical language(s) in general, subject to the following definitional framework and description: Presupposing that everything effable (i.e. linguistically expressible) can be represented as a predicate-argument structure (PAS), a logical language (in the technical sense, i.e. loglang) is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously bidirectionally encodes an unlimited number of PASs. (Also known by some as the 'monoparsing' property. The relevant bidirectionality is conversion both from PAS to phonological form and from phonological form to PAS.) Seconded. Motion 2. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals) is promotion of Lojban (regardless of its status as a logical language) as defined by documents endorsed by the LLG. I likewise (same wording) so move, with terms as described in my immediately previous motion in this message. Seconded. Motion 3. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals) is creation of a Lojban derivative that is a logical language. Seconded. My second does not include Curtis' amendment, because I consider the definition of loglanghood given by And adequate knowledge mmm ias is. A language that does not fulfill those (fundamental) requirements is not a logical language ("loglang"). 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As I have seen almost no discussion on these three propos= als, I am that anyone with something to say on the matter post it here. The= seconds are included and I'll repost the only comment that was attache= d

.karis.

On Jan 5, 2018 4:21 A= M, "Creative Care Services" <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
Curtis has made three related mov= ements, all seconded (without the amendment Curtis made to number 3) by Sel= pa'i. Since Selpa'i specifically=C2=A0 had not included Curtis'= amendment to number 3, that motion does not include the amendment I reques= t that Curtis make this amendment as an add on if he still wants it include= d


Motion 1. The LLG shall adopt, as a principal goal of the = LLG (coequal with any other principal goals), the intention of exploration = and promotion of logical language(s) in general, subject to the following d= efinitional framework and description: Presupposing that everything effable= (i.e. linguistically expressible) can be represented as a predicate-argume= nt structure (PAS), a logical language (in the technical sense, i.e. loglan= g) is one that (syntactically-)unambiguously bidirectionally encodes an unl= imited number of PASs. (Also known by some as the 'monoparsing' pro= perty. The relevant bidirectionality is conversion both from PAS to phonolo= gical form and from phonological form to PAS.)

Se= conded.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = Motion 2. A principal goal of the LLG (coequal with any other principal goa= ls) is promotion of Lojban (regardless of its status as a logical language)= as defined by documents endorsed by the LLG.


I likewise (same w= ording) so move, with terms as described in my immediately previous motion = in this message.

Seconded.

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Motion 3. A principal goal of = the LLG (coequal with any other principal goals) is creation of a Lojban de= rivative that is a logical language.=C2=A0

Second= ed.

My second does not include Curtis' amendment, because I cons= ider the definition of loglanghood given by And adequate knowledge mmm ias = is. A language that does not fulfill those (fundamental) requirements is no= t a logical language ("loglang").
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