Received: from localhost ([::1]:50712 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1esDEW-0008AK-QA; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:54:16 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f182.google.com ([209.85.161.182]:41441) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1esDE0-00088q-Of for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:53:45 -0800 Received: by mail-yw0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w12so4426830ywa.8 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:53:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/BR4mWTaajyrVGdDcDZa3iQTrBorYf16HS5l8BSTX7Q=; b=Znn18ZHlCORX+i6FQj6bx5WtApuRlZj0RIIGyCVg+sXmOG9UVl1/HARZlO7u9k8cH2 ZXJFW4HRpQ4YCdzeRMafs+mqovmFyEkE6Vm37wb8V7Vs8eaQ98T2JHcVA90lGVTDeG2g yrSQtZex/+EDjOtp8tZO4i842RUzI1YRVm0dxxY4wWpyoCEp660UwXe2vURB6nys7dw5 CE+lTwE4nZd2xFIvBnc1STdHXbH+qzGArf4/CcRDBSq1u0WmOTTdmf+ogrnsbQWh3z9n ZEx2HkWXNdCuf6ARljTvvO476alOdJr6xluwfrLncrbrU0iIW21s2PmyROgXtJWrecwN pV1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=/BR4mWTaajyrVGdDcDZa3iQTrBorYf16HS5l8BSTX7Q=; b=AFCNcO+hTPZIfiggObRrnsnR1+CYgaGuARsxIz07QkmHAEP8bbpaODWnCSBuoZkhbb CFVx+UveDKi7gG2fcywJFRZp8zR5DVqpVCNQPkTJtu6Ifu0B/Wizn+mNdmyw2gfNuAGn 8mYVxVz0HRPpVZUg+91rwhTA2gvyvwAE6eVkOjydDnYGbd1C0xtZ15tJ6TVyucfAcoSV TbeGo8kJLyGv6ZAu0t5Y+j65H36FV9kCrEYGDqSGjtAH8tkN0hJmw6VnCe8n70nYAarg sy0PyuVpHobogsuuxpWyKPawk7mekPdD42MeWHzQtgeSjN+YloYWXD2+PhmiyiVk4tdz 1a3w== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDKPc35E9o1USWSjjnHZaKeXzM/pJajP2WvYVF1BG9fnVcgkqaP ZuT+JnKaAU2yKdHwZrYFAWu+gDp2eRQG8P0HoGo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELs+sbV22kvjQ2ZJgzVgGQCIxjvHeh3txmt0j5/AJpQAaE+TYcofBS2oAC+j4PY6iBysYJTQSGLzmKqhr1miheI= X-Received: by 10.13.248.195 with SMTP id i186mr6602451ywf.239.1520106818305; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:53:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:c903:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:52:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3b9cd3a6-a94d-dac4-1e57-4addec5fe792@lojban.org> From: Curtis Franks Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Meeting over? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8579427953076175903==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8579427953076175903== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0826a2ed05050566877298" --94eb2c0826a2ed05050566877298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It would also be useful for verifying the official minutes, providing a summary of events before minutes are available (with an in-depth investigation facilitated if desired), and just keeping track as to where we are in a meeting (old business, new business, etc.). On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Curtis Franks wrote: > We should keep a Google Sheet for each meeting which is editable for/by > any of us and which organizes conversations, motion proposals, and votes > each separately - and specifies at what URL they may be found and what > their current status is (ongoing or concluded). > > Revision history is automatically recorded by Google, too; so, vandalism > would be able to be caught and controlled. (Other benefits exist as well). > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Creative Care Services < > comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you, lojbab. >> >> As soon as I can spend an hour or so I'll go through and sort out the >> votes. >> >> .karis. >> >> On Feb 28, 2018 16:16, "Bob LeChevalier" wrote: >> >>> On 2/27/2018 10:03 PM, Creative Care Services wrote: >>> >>>> Another question: What is proper procedure when several people have >>>> voted and there is silence from everyone else? Does it all depend on what >>>> the quorum number is? >>>> >>> >>> I believe that if there is already a quorum established before the vote, >>> then if you allow a reasonable time period in which people should vote, >>> then that the end of that time period, you can determine the result based >>> on those who have already voted, even if there is only 1 vote (every one >>> else is presumed to have abstained). >>> >>> A new quorum check can be called for, if you or some member doesn't >>> think that a quorum is currently attending the meeting. But I suspect that >>> is not really the problem. Rather I think that most members who have been >>> silent either do not understand that there is a vote in progress and/or >>> don't have an opinion on the issue being voted on. >>> >>> In the last several meetings I held several votes on motions, in which >>> only a few people actually voted. Indeed, if there seemed to be no >>> opposition to a motion (based on discussion), I would announce the voting >>> period with a statement that "if there is no objection by such and such a >>> time, I will rule that the motion has been adopted". (I use that for most >>> motions in the Board meetings.) >>> >>> lojbab >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > --94eb2c0826a2ed05050566877298 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It would also be useful for verifying the official minutes, = providing a summary of events before minutes are available (with an in-dept= h investigation facilitated if desired), and just keeping track as to where= we are in a meeting (old business, new business, etc.).

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 2= :50 PM, Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wr= ote:
We should keep a Goog= le Sheet for each meeting which is editable for/by any of us and which orga= nizes conversations, motion proposals, and votes each separately - and spec= ifies at what URL they may be found and what their current status is (ongoi= ng or concluded).

Revision history is automatically recorded by = Google, too; so, vandalism would be able to be caught and controlled. (Othe= r benefits exist as well).

On Thu, Mar 1,= 2018 at 12:41 AM, Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Thank = you, lojbab.

As soon as I can = spend an hour or so I'll go through and sort out the votes.=C2=A0
=

.karis.
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On Feb 28, 2018 16= :16, "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 2/27/2018 10:03 PM, Creative Care Services= wrote:
Another question: What is proper procedure when several people have voted a= nd there is silence from everyone else? Does it all depend on what the quor= um number is?

I believe that if there is already a quorum established before the vote, th= en if you allow a reasonable time period in which people should vote, then = that the end of that time period, you can determine the result based on tho= se who have already voted, even if there is only 1 vote (every one else is = presumed to have abstained).

A new quorum check can be called for, if you or some member doesn't thi= nk that a quorum is currently attending the meeting.=C2=A0 But I suspect th= at is not really the problem.=C2=A0 Rather I think that most members who ha= ve been silent either do not understand that there is a vote in progress an= d/or don't have an opinion on the issue being voted on.

In the last several meetings I held several votes on motions, in which only= a few people actually voted.=C2=A0 Indeed, if there seemed to be no opposi= tion to a motion (based on discussion), I would announce the voting period = with a statement that "if there is no objection by such and such a tim= e, I will rule that the motion has been adopted".=C2=A0 (I use that fo= r most motions in the Board meetings.)

lojbab

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