Received: from localhost ([::1]:56972 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1esNOs-0006Du-0q; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:45:38 -0800 Received: from mail-vk0-f51.google.com ([209.85.213.51]:45106) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1esNOL-0006Cd-DS for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:45:06 -0800 Received: by mail-vk0-f51.google.com with SMTP id k187so7999602vke.12 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:45:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JsXC7nCUBUSIN2dHagUSda47zTK7+adcfdF2ixmbMAs=; b=LH4JugPtR94ne2lnfezbLe+0kuS/VHjpEaV0v19BVo+u1fVh0XFHVRS3PHOzLZpDHs D7oe+1sfl6LHuagQ1pIjPa0/3kgbvl3Gn8+2Cjj5DaL16LT15l0xxPcfrg8aY1kDCie7 5BU+yneJoe481JFYtboLLPHU4WCbvS4yS8XzE9cOGybmixclUAiSVFutivyIi2/tWDUd UiqaYZH7KZFooEdtLH40Kxx6EOX8dGYcVgrskTdNPywoKZ5duTJ0a7xdTCnyb/W+ufoP ZoSaGoyOq8b/uL185LAIvkXiUq8RGgvYqRcuij1LMPP3dtYlUmOVwIa3X/6g3fWiG4BC AS8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=JsXC7nCUBUSIN2dHagUSda47zTK7+adcfdF2ixmbMAs=; b=dYnMDJgBnfa0gVjiIINffT0ghen0RCnAv4k2RCaq4Pq8ilTeogCdlE7XmFvzrF7xHi HsiRrIC6hxls8WCAT408vtXxdBl9oIt6lHchlS+ZOgboTfWtgz6SDdv92dXRanWMkn1r s0sc3XbbeDwiUVWAbuhRWK2+E3ATsDzTRWDVe4hVw7PzitZhS4htVyis0J0RZc2WG4Cf owR1yDBjsB16Ik1gFlR+cHa5HFiDEh2GfMLlno/a+DSn7w45ogsWiJjlsjHxyTVJBXDO kv+W5w+OxDfwq0kMZbpMdtVYLRlZeDnvCwiio/Ga7vwp+QHjz5QjJMxYM81bTk33yPrM 5PBA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDhdC5V0kMFfYAW8gQL+mvu9x5VfqHvycidi4jMSGo0G/x/oqyx 2Q6RiTGlrVEado18qfViY2g5hI4wU83/3P8+GZ4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtAbRtwodCcSAGYzRvL1Y3OzkZEJgxPAdWGT9ekgCmTBBVecnGEhoPw+icT/vKwgDKBEQ0qtYLlEHEuM5bBO+w= X-Received: by 10.31.134.147 with SMTP id i141mr7216584vkd.128.1520145897826; Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:44:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.18.80 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.176.18.80 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:44:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3b9cd3a6-a94d-dac4-1e57-4addec5fe792@lojban.org> From: Creative Care Services Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 01:44:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Meeting over? X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1741258526380636969==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1741258526380636969== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114110383f47650566908c32" --001a114110383f47650566908c32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" That sounds like a wonderful idea. On Mar 3, 2018 14:54, "Curtis Franks" wrote: > It would also be useful for verifying the official minutes, providing a > summary of events before minutes are available (with an in-depth > investigation facilitated if desired), and just keeping track as to where > we are in a meeting (old business, new business, etc.). > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Curtis Franks > wrote: > >> We should keep a Google Sheet for each meeting which is editable for/by >> any of us and which organizes conversations, motion proposals, and votes >> each separately - and specifies at what URL they may be found and what >> their current status is (ongoing or concluded). >> >> Revision history is automatically recorded by Google, too; so, vandalism >> would be able to be caught and controlled. (Other benefits exist as well). >> >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Creative Care Services < >> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thank you, lojbab. >>> >>> As soon as I can spend an hour or so I'll go through and sort out the >>> votes. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2018 16:16, "Bob LeChevalier" wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/27/2018 10:03 PM, Creative Care Services wrote: >>>> >>>>> Another question: What is proper procedure when several people have >>>>> voted and there is silence from everyone else? Does it all depend on what >>>>> the quorum number is? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I believe that if there is already a quorum established before the >>>> vote, then if you allow a reasonable time period in which people should >>>> vote, then that the end of that time period, you can determine the result >>>> based on those who have already voted, even if there is only 1 vote (every >>>> one else is presumed to have abstained). >>>> >>>> A new quorum check can be called for, if you or some member doesn't >>>> think that a quorum is currently attending the meeting. But I suspect that >>>> is not really the problem. Rather I think that most members who have been >>>> silent either do not understand that there is a vote in progress and/or >>>> don't have an opinion on the issue being voted on. >>>> >>>> In the last several meetings I held several votes on motions, in which >>>> only a few people actually voted. Indeed, if there seemed to be no >>>> opposition to a motion (based on discussion), I would announce the voting >>>> period with a statement that "if there is no objection by such and such a >>>> time, I will rule that the motion has been adopted". (I use that for most >>>> motions in the Board meetings.) >>>> >>>> lojbab >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --001a114110383f47650566908c32 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That sounds like a wonderful idea.=C2=A0

On Mar 3, 2018 14:54, "= ;Curtis Franks" <curti= s.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
It would also be useful for verifying the of= ficial minutes, providing a summary of events before minutes are available = (with an in-depth investigation facilitated if desired), and just keeping t= rack as to where we are in a meeting (old business, new business, etc.).

On Sat, = Mar 3, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
We sh= ould keep a Google Sheet for each meeting which is editable for/by any of u= s and which organizes conversations, motion proposals, and votes each separ= ately - and specifies at what URL they may be found and what their current = status is (ongoing or concluded).

Revision history is automati= cally recorded by Google, too; so, vandalism would be able to be caught and= controlled. (Other benefits exist as well).

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 12:4= 1 AM, Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wro= te:
Thank you, lojbab.<= div dir=3D"auto">
As soon as I can spend an hour= or so I'll go through and sort out the votes.=C2=A0

.karis.

On Feb 28, 2018 16:16, "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> w= rote:
On 2/27/2018 1= 0:03 PM, Creative Care Services wrote:
Another question: What is proper procedure when several people have voted a= nd there is silence from everyone else? Does it all depend on what the quor= um number is?

I believe that if there is already a quorum established before the vote, th= en if you allow a reasonable time period in which people should vote, then = that the end of that time period, you can determine the result based on tho= se who have already voted, even if there is only 1 vote (every one else is = presumed to have abstained).

A new quorum check can be called for, if you or some member doesn't thi= nk that a quorum is currently attending the meeting.=C2=A0 But I suspect th= at is not really the problem.=C2=A0 Rather I think that most members who ha= ve been silent either do not understand that there is a vote in progress an= d/or don't have an opinion on the issue being voted on.

In the last several meetings I held several votes on motions, in which only= a few people actually voted.=C2=A0 Indeed, if there seemed to be no opposi= tion to a motion (based on discussion), I would announce the voting period = with a statement that "if there is no objection by such and such a tim= e, I will rule that the motion has been adopted".=C2=A0 (I use that fo= r most motions in the Board meetings.)

lojbab

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