Received: from localhost ([::1]:54034 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eyLAj-0006WT-LB; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:35:41 -0700 Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net ([68.230.241.218]:58042) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eyLAD-0006V5-S2 for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:35:10 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.28 201-2260-151-171-20160122) with ESMTP id <20180320173503.WAWK31819.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:35:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.244.98]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with cox id QHb21x00N2869s801Hb3K2; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:35:03 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=VfuHBBh9 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:117 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=PMayK-KgzlQA:10 a=ZWCeEOzXx41Am_bYEvQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=lojbab@cox.net To: llg-members@lojban.org References: <911780df-0d1e-0137-8efd-83a3e6a80e47@selpahi.de> From: Bob LeChevalier Message-ID: <1cc70426-111b-0d0a-80e3-b568b4e77cf1@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:35:11 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Vote to Adjourn, cast your ballot here X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org On 3/18/2018 11:31 AM, guskant wrote: > The LLG has > been neglecting the problems I raised for two years, and additionally, > you have let me loose my chance for raising two motions that I > prepared for "New Business" in this meeting, although I repeatedly > told you in this meeting that I was only waiting for the time of > talking about the subject. I suggest that as soon as the meeting is actually adjourned that you raise these topics just as you intended, , on this list, but outside the formal meeting. You might consider spacing them out by a week or so. I also suggest clearly marking each numerically as "topic 1", "topic 2", so people can keep them straight if to many topics are active at one time. You can state these as potential motions, or perhaps better, talk about the issues, and wait until things are well discussed before formalizing them. The officers will then use these discussions as a starting point for the agenda of the 2018 meeting, or possibly the Board can consider and adopt policies even before the 2018 meeting. I make the same suggestion to selpa'i who felt that some things need to be discussed that weren't. If he wants things to be discussed, please raise them for discussion immediately after the formal meeting ends. You can have your say and get youir desired subjects discussed even if not still a member because I doubt that mukti will remove you from the list quickly (unless you ask him to do so). And you won't be bound by the formalism of either LLG as an organization, or by byfy membership (I'm not sure most people know who current members of byfy are). Again, I suggest numbering topics if more than one is discussed so people can keep the threads distinct in their minds even if they don't read the list every day. Also, for either of you and anyone else, if you want a larger audience to discuss a topic than the LLG membership plus hangers on, consider raising the topic in the main Lojban List rather than in the members list. The organization is changing as it moves on from having me in charge, but not daily active due to health, to new people who aren't yet familiar with running meetings online. The issues can be discussed and then however the community decides, the organizations (LLG, byfy, or whatever) can decide whether they are capable and best suited for implementing those decisions and managing any ongoing organized activity(s). lojbab _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members