Received: from localhost ([::1]:36484 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f0Yq4-0002iQ-Uk; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:35:32 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f52.google.com ([209.85.213.52]:41378) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f0YpY-0002gg-3b for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:35:02 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f52.google.com with SMTP id l123so11966175vke.8 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=mCE18IPmN1By51RozgrxYy6dlFuZHm4uDnV5wNfU/Xk=; b=Fs0yGRc7i42bZf5WZpWUZ5VK1RKeTjIz5w3QAulon/P0n+u2U9HUgbKQqMY/FAU81s YTmwfOo6oJQpX0yQGU/8s7DzlC6bDwWb549VNy40f9IxGPonZoxPdSBDs4w/Enpc5i07 MM9JM3Rmjqp0emTlSCovoXQ6FhL6CF+z5SWZxEcmVcHyRumD/lQG9DHqssE/7bqmnbl0 XNJPmSjE4EZpzi5paykYDB6gzTk3+hI41TCaosz3WblHYq2uT5E22JrlFLC66nhYLwIQ lAoicOVCWE5BL0mc2izyMGcAg9AB3JlTfM9Sa19JtSD+mN5m8ZY9Ip4T0pPN5iz5fla/ Ppzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=mCE18IPmN1By51RozgrxYy6dlFuZHm4uDnV5wNfU/Xk=; b=ddf+idDoW+8feMHDIgOinTdlqeLSV6ESqo/k1ogzevB1ZfqUygPILYcKCTD01UjEwj 9gvEpOLqpLoYQnTP6KsXeg0SnU7WibauuRgQWYBWsH+nZ39rhLAVy67zYsYVa4iHBHyW 550Rq2Mm1qEMZP3dOAL2YuFL5YPStBPrP/+XyMDd43DLQ3mov3S8ZcHjgnbWTWMeTftn t9/DvyLMR+zJyr4uli8QtpMy+yABar/85e1USW/ghiST5dNyTFZmb6HupVssN8TJazG5 +0v9lNWnzcrYRjRQCergZUL+rewuEkrIvBlmL+Hj6Y8qVIhZwJw77r8dbYc7icwS7kk5 QCkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7Fb3usYKaGNSK3U5ykAp0Oat1QKWuUJUBuNhTv7TUDPYL2MTZ1t tcQgyQ0cwCESs0Em6JVaqXQrvQKpG3EJZ5nV7M0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELuzv/Fd10k7Lj9VqpibKWb4aH1VxU2Pv2opXe7wciNGQueN+L0KOmFB3Jq92NN9TWMUtt/AgtNAhWPzR7XOYSs= X-Received: by 10.31.214.197 with SMTP id n188mr16320120vkg.41.1522096492493; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:34:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Creative Care Services Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:34:41 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6571735646479684727==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6571735646479684727== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c07c6f0bfc200056856b4fe" --94eb2c07c6f0bfc200056856b4fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I absolutely want meetings to not happen at only a fixed time and live as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in too many time zones and have too many responsibilities to expect reasonable attendance at a meeting scheduled that way. Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeting went fairly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother became seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails supplemented by Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they will be more efficient while allowing all interested to participate. My thought is for a main chat thread for all discussion with side threads for stating and voting only on each proposal. Additional side charts could be used for side discussions, possibly, but they would not be official. These could include clarifications, and whatever else. .karis. On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services : > >> My concern with Slack is our need for a full record despite the number of >> posts. All the groups I'm in that use it hit that limit quite quickly. >> >> As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topics each >> in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significant >> management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though, and I >> know who to ask for help. >> > > I propose NOT to use threading in any way. That is one thread for > everything. > > This way it will be quite easy to copy logs e.g. every day by just > selecting text from the browser. > Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but I'm currently > not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.org or any other > sort of permanent "clay tablets". > > If people want to discuss several topics at once they can do so > sequentially, not in parallel. > > *I also propose* either Google Docs or PiratePad > for writing out > proposals such as amendments to bylaws etc. Voting can be done by writing > down your names in the pad. In the chat one can warn that e.g. he/she > didn't vote but his/her name for some reason appeared in the piratepad. > > > >> >> I know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I don't have >> familiarity with them. Does anyone else? >> >> .karis. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna >> wrote: >> >>> So I propose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meeting. >>> >>> Telegram requires having a phone number, which some members might not >>> have so this option should be avoided imo. >>> >>> On Slack Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. Everyone >>> can create a new room there. Registering is possible via >>> https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few days. >>> >>> On Discord Lojbanists have https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs are >>> preserved. >>> >>> Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not preserved unless you >>> use specific software. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Creative Care Services >>> Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00 >>> Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn >>> To: llg-members@lojban.org >>> >>> >>> As I believe that is sufficient votes, I hereby declare the 2017 >>> meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discussion >>> is welcome in this chat. >>> >>> .karis. >>> President, Logical Language Group >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary wrote: >>> >>>> Per request of the president, here is a tabulation of votes on the >>>> motion to adjourn. >>>> >>>> Aye (10): >>>> Pierre >>>> Lojbab >>>> Curtis >>>> Karis >>>> Adam >>>> Ilmen >>>> Riley >>>> Alex >>>> Veion >>>> Ali >>>> >>>> Abstain (1): >>>> guskant >>>> >>>> No (1): >>>> selpa'i >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --94eb2c07c6f0bfc200056856b4fe Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I absolutely want meetings to not happen at only a fixed = time and live as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in too many time = zones and have too many responsibilities to expect reasonable attendance at= a meeting scheduled that way.

Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeting went fair= ly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother became seri= ously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails supplemented by= Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they will be more effici= ent while allowing all interested to participate.
My thought is for a main chat thread for all disc= ussion with side threads for stating and voting only on each proposal. Addi= tional side charts could be used for side discussions, possibly, but they w= ould not be official. These could include clarifications, and whatever else= .

.karis.=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02= :41 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.= is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <= ;comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
My concern with Slack is our need for = a full record despite the number of posts. All the groups I'm in that u= se it hit that limit quite quickly.=C2=A0

As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple top= ics each in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes signific= ant management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, thoug= h, and I know who to ask for help.=C2=A0

I propose NOT to use threading in any way. That is one thre= ad for everything.

This way it will be quite easy = to copy logs e.g. every day by just selecting text from the browser.
<= div>Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but I'm curre= ntly not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.org or any other = sort of permanent "clay tablets".

If peo= ple want to discuss several topics at once they can do so sequentially, not= in parallel.

I also propose either Google = Docs or PiratePad=C2=A0for writing out propo= sals such as amendments to bylaws etc. Voting can be done by writing down y= our names in the pad. In the chat one can warn that e.g. he/she didn't = vote but his/her name for some reason appeared in the piratepad.
=
=C2=A0

I know oth= er sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I don't have familia= rity with them. Does anyone else?=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28= Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> w= rote:
So I propose either Slack or Di= scord or IRC for the next meeting.

Telegram requir= es having a phone number, which some members might not have so this option = should be avoided imo.

On Slack Lojbanists already have= an informal Lojbanic place. Everyone can create a new room there. Register= ing is possible via https://slaka.herokuapp.com= Chat logs are preserved for a few days.

On Discord Lojb= anists have=C2=A0https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat= logs are preserved.

Everyone here knows what is I= RC. Chat logs are not preserved unless you use specific software.
<= br>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Fr= om: Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>
Da= te: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00
Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of = votes, motion to adjourn
To: llg-members@lojba= n.org


As I believe that is sufficient vote= s,=C2=A0 I hereby declare the 2017 meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned.= Further, less official discussion is welcome in this chat.

.karis.=C2=A0
Presiden= t, Logical Language Group
=

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
Per request of the president, here is a tabulation of= votes on the motion to adjourn.

Aye (10):
Pierre
Lojbab
Curtis
Karis
Adam
Ilmen
Riley
Alex
Veion
Ali

Abstain (1):
guskant

No (1):
selpa'i


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