Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36810 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f87z6-0003Pn-1h; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:32:08 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f171.google.com ([209.85.161.171]:39322) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f87yW-0003Nn-4u for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:31:36 -0700 Received: by mail-yw0-f171.google.com with SMTP id e63so2076513ywh.6 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YtVwW/YKGNUcCs61NlAqQkgo1JWA3UMuKKOOMAwtsCo=; b=IRgNIkLmDpBRQvp9WaPau5Vsr6JIVahHM4eV0/LWpbaUDeAoVj/nLuE7y9z1sat8mf AXeliu5U2faHY4pcs1wD9h58Jbk4mke+AKnoNDQtJ0lfAygXkBc6DDHBqmo7NF+WAple yUbdxCdDmLoN+SfCJ4aFwzZOA0g5xFbBNOTVRgQ2vA0MypdhLIY5/WDay3pZ5Aibvzju nmaT6niFyXZ0Jd4+h/hqSBRnrVifepi1UT7P69n6ijYIC3jfe2LdtNv/KZcmHvDzbWrj QH4cPuOwb3Y3z+FW82hO5HuGDMiEg6zzcZlfjOro1MDxeeflKoYVCKQYsYVd9I5RwLo9 LdJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YtVwW/YKGNUcCs61NlAqQkgo1JWA3UMuKKOOMAwtsCo=; b=WAECyaabt7XyGqfV5AA2eRL/+zU+VO6oJbd0j+CvPxpLNQSiIu8ypjtvCi7u2Dmv07 OCPFPz9NqQcGXuh7rERn2LrGKxQh1Xq4LJD0AD+IuvFq4ByUrNK4ZbLG8tTbPMEIztzf qq+5WafkN+dWu8BzzcJBNs5X31pu66Jy3hpvGd3RM/23M9oJ8GzMcwUfryO9z5D3gf/n l+Rj9g44cMjz09x4ly4+d3hHx+3qjAQlV8gq8lviQ67FC0CWPS2QbdYm09aHT/WPz1JN erDxYeTin0tbSR9v2+V9cbom1B90ME2vfG/oKpZKvcZ6noHoXETlAxZrgFCvIEZ49CML X0lg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAN4rxb/OKTZQEpwJqGBCWrYjxaVjlw/lC5IKKRz0GZ9uC93Qkz 69hNRde07/Xg+V+sN6CxxwCp2Y/L61Iu5k5XEIw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4/hcoXto86H54VlTnyD16WXSANlmBSMf7CK9At3Y2daoMQWv34wapcTR/3tLuaZVfLJSEhzaesZ0YKENd/K6WY= X-Received: by 10.129.198.10 with SMTP id l10mr11496746ywi.502.1523899881325; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:31:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:a124:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:30:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Curtis Franks Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:30:41 -0400 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6629327972689648388==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============6629327972689648388== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1a883e1987cc0569fa970e" --94eb2c1a883e1987cc0569fa970e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Did we ever decide on any details? On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Creative Care Services < comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: > I absolutely want meetings to not happen at only a fixed time and live as > I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in too many time zones and have > too many responsibilities to expect reasonable attendance at a meeting > scheduled that way. > > Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeting went > fairly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother became > seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails > supplemented by Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they will > be more efficient while allowing all interested to participate. > > My thought is for a main chat thread for all discussion with side threads > for stating and voting only on each proposal. Additional side charts could > be used for side discussions, possibly, but they would not be official. > These could include clarifications, and whatever else. > > .karis. > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: > >> >> >> 2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services : >> >>> My concern with Slack is our need for a full record despite the number >>> of posts. All the groups I'm in that use it hit that limit quite quickly. >>> >>> As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topics each >>> in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significant >>> management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though, and I >>> know who to ask for help. >>> >> >> I propose NOT to use threading in any way. That is one thread for >> everything. >> >> This way it will be quite easy to copy logs e.g. every day by just >> selecting text from the browser. >> Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but I'm currently >> not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.org or any other >> sort of permanent "clay tablets". >> >> If people want to discuss several topics at once they can do so >> sequentially, not in parallel. >> >> *I also propose* either Google Docs or PiratePad >> for writing out >> proposals such as amendments to bylaws etc. Voting can be done by writing >> down your names in the pad. In the chat one can warn that e.g. he/she >> didn't vote but his/her name for some reason appeared in the piratepad. >> >> >> >>> >>> I know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I don't >>> have familiarity with them. Does anyone else? >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So I propose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meeting. >>>> >>>> Telegram requires having a phone number, which some members might not >>>> have so this option should be avoided imo. >>>> >>>> On Slack Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. Everyone >>>> can create a new room there. Registering is possible via >>>> https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few days. >>>> >>>> On Discord Lojbanists have https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs are >>>> preserved. >>>> >>>> Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not preserved unless you >>>> use specific software. >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Creative Care Services >>>> Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00 >>>> Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn >>>> To: llg-members@lojban.org >>>> >>>> >>>> As I believe that is sufficient votes, I hereby declare the 2017 >>>> meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discussion >>>> is welcome in this chat. >>>> >>>> .karis. >>>> President, Logical Language Group >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary wrote: >>>> >>>>> Per request of the president, here is a tabulation of votes on the >>>>> motion to adjourn. >>>>> >>>>> Aye (10): >>>>> Pierre >>>>> Lojbab >>>>> Curtis >>>>> Karis >>>>> Adam >>>>> Ilmen >>>>> Riley >>>>> Alex >>>>> Veion >>>>> Ali >>>>> >>>>> Abstain (1): >>>>> guskant >>>>> >>>>> No (1): >>>>> selpa'i >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --94eb2c1a883e1987cc0569fa970e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did we ever decide on any details?

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:34 PM= , Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
I absolutely want meeti= ngs to not happen at only a fixed time and live as I stated during the 2016= meeting. We are in too many time zones and have too many responsibilities = to expect reasonable attendance at a meeting scheduled that way.

Further, as someone, I think Gleki, comm= ented the recent meeting went fairly well until during our just after Thank= sgiving when my mother became seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format = rather than emails supplemented by Google docs/sheets or something similar = I believe they will be more efficient while allowing all interested to part= icipate.

My thought is f= or a main chat thread for all discussion with side threads for stating and = voting only on each proposal. Additional side charts could be used for side= discussions, possibly, but they would not be official. These could include= clarifications, and whatever else.

.karis.=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02:= 41 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
My concern with Slac= k is our need for a full record despite the number of posts. All the groups= I'm in that use it hit that limit quite quickly.=C2=A0

As for Discord, I know we can organize it to = cover multiple topics each in their own thread. The issue with it is thread= ing takes significant management as it isn't at all automatic. I have s= een it done, though, and I know who to ask for help.=C2=A0

I propose NOT to use threading in any way= . That is one thread for everything.

This way it w= ill be quite easy to copy logs e.g. every day by just selecting text from t= he browser.
Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads= but I'm currently not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.or= g or any other sort of permanent "clay tablets".
If people want to discuss several topics at once they can do s= o sequentially, not in parallel.

I also propose= either Google Docs or PiratePad=C2=A0fo= r writing out proposals such as amendments to bylaws etc. Voting can be don= e by writing down your names in the pad. In the chat one can warn that e.g.= he/she didn't vote but his/her name for some reason appeared in the pi= ratepad.

=C2=A0

I know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I do= n't have familiarity with them. Does anyone else?=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0
=

On Su= n, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.na= me@gmail.com> wrote:
So I propose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meet= ing.

Telegram requires having a phone number, whic= h some members might not have so this option should be avoided imo.

On Slack Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. E= veryone can create a new room there. Registering is possible via https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a= few days.

On Discord Lojbanists have=C2=A0https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs are preserved.

Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not p= reserved unless you use specific software.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>
Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 = GMT+03:00
Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjo= urn
To: llg-members@lojban.org


=
As I believe that is sufficient votes,=C2=A0 I hereby dec= lare the 2017 meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less offici= al discussion is welcome in this chat.

.karis.=C2=A0
President, Logical Language = Group

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary <= shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
Per request of the president, her= e is a tabulation of votes on the motion to adjourn.

Aye (10):
Pierre
Lojbab
Curtis
Karis
Adam
Ilmen
Riley
Alex
Veion
Ali

Abstain (1):
guskant

No (1):
selpa'i


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