Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34758 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f939x-00072C-3T; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 23:35:09 -0700 Received: from mail-yb0-f171.google.com ([209.85.213.171]:42764) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f939Q-00070u-6G for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 23:34:38 -0700 Received: by mail-yb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id t8-v6so1470667ybo.9 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 23:34:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JqvgzaZLNhp4ZIJ0bpKfphjhQ55Vh450WgFQcG2YhdA=; b=VenoW2pi0IgYx8jdRn9BDPzMOzBjyYm3BftFLlf/+VWRuIIy8/D0RSiu/SZuFLo/Hf 2qqacLuK3Fo0FkqKOJPpoxyH8bsAJEER39pMlPsbSegoEYnzoM3tqu6TH4lAJNgvK3tx BVOnJoV677S2jpf7nnqUaQzM9qPiNXCSzp4MTScpgV0N22JBzJ9sMXjBwje51imJE7Ob 3z7lOIQAuCI0X7zGq0lxYij/EFGL44/2rmZwftK4K14iUsGPOhx5MHZ1PXcPex/U9xos rnx/dMgtOpyHlKT/4Lmd9kZV7OwA665e/yo4fezgWWL/sH5CBy/FkzMEn3CUd9upMElO Jk/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=JqvgzaZLNhp4ZIJ0bpKfphjhQ55Vh450WgFQcG2YhdA=; b=p0/BSVcvzEzjNwIFOqQ93EeapsrG1Ti6vEzZqg6LUGVWQvaaDGmKUZud4Vtc0Ui+Ls u3+qL93m5ZjLMk5FhOgdlUvJF3kaJDVFf3AJ2HksTTFzwgmLjgAWWTDpbe/iRkHH+qtD +JScqhSgGitI65J8T08TGo3YSwzvUoVomAjuh7qNkB9NrBmSyDV0MTNR7lW0iV49aaWZ SYCmoHkWpe16An8ucu3mFypqr4uOAPn6ufTw0ZRer9zq0Y6qevk17g4YbXg/IQT1c8VU uRP4ygj4Kii4I9Sztl9n5/L/gdmTX8ou0zEmlxfg7OE0pd4ouZ7QA4EQohP69p6hdnLy D3eQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDRpbVYyhIuW6Uf6KyFR5D8MD5/eJjnhX2b2pCF8bQlfLzUmVBw 1buZlHT1NAm5hcFJTrPIQFvQmpBT9WI23CuTW7Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+IcB0JISPJcxBqK24WxceaNNQdT2lnsNOAjFjmeAQlCmO9jbnUry+Epqf3WV4sqdrobx+GtrVEXrhFKBRdDag= X-Received: by 2002:a25:c641:: with SMTP id k62-v6mr3168964ybf.431.1524119669651; Wed, 18 Apr 2018 23:34:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Curtis Franks Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 06:34:19 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5599135452492456458==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5599135452492456458== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000813d7d056a2dc306" --000000000000813d7d056a2dc306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Discord seems good to me. ~~~ Curtis W. Franks On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 01:01 Creative Care Services wrote: > We didn't actually make any decision and the discussion just stopped, as > far as I can tell. My preference is Discord, mainly because of the record > formed for everything submitted in text, at least. I also don't know about > other forms. My familiarity with it is through Ingress and Delta T (both > phone-based AR games) chats and I like the structure of one server > containing, potentially, multiple conversation streams. The one thing I > miss is the ability to directly reply within a conversation. Individual > direct messaging is also easy. One very convenient feature is when you open > the application, at least on my phone, the total number of new messages > displays on the left pulsing menu. Open that and the number in the direct > messaging section, and for each channel displays, and this continues > through any more layers. > > Does anyone have more to say on this matter before the Board Meeting? I > would like to use whichever method for that as a small scale test. > > .karis. > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 13:32 Curtis Franks > wrote: > >> Did we ever decide on any details? >> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Creative Care Services < >> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I absolutely want meetings to not happen at only a fixed time and live >>> as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in too many time zones and have >>> too many responsibilities to expect reasonable attendance at a meeting >>> scheduled that way. >>> >>> Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeting went >>> fairly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother became >>> seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails >>> supplemented by Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they will >>> be more efficient while allowing all interested to participate. >>> >>> My thought is for a main chat thread for all discussion with side >>> threads for stating and voting only on each proposal. Additional side >>> charts could be used for side discussions, possibly, but they would not be >>> official. These could include clarifications, and whatever else. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services >>> >: >>>> >>>>> My concern with Slack is our need for a full record despite the number >>>>> of posts. All the groups I'm in that use it hit that limit quite quickly. >>>>> >>>>> As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topics >>>>> each in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significant >>>>> management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though, and I >>>>> know who to ask for help. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I propose NOT to use threading in any way. That is one thread for >>>> everything. >>>> >>>> This way it will be quite easy to copy logs e.g. every day by just >>>> selecting text from the browser. >>>> Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but I'm currently >>>> not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.org or any other >>>> sort of permanent "clay tablets". >>>> >>>> If people want to discuss several topics at once they can do so >>>> sequentially, not in parallel. >>>> >>>> *I also propose* either Google Docs or PiratePad >>>> for writing out >>>> proposals such as amendments to bylaws etc. Voting can be done by writing >>>> down your names in the pad. In the chat one can warn that e.g. he/she >>>> didn't vote but his/her name for some reason appeared in the piratepad. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I don't >>>>> have familiarity with them. Does anyone else? >>>>> >>>>> .karis. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So I propose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meeting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Telegram requires having a phone number, which some members might not >>>>>> have so this option should be avoided imo. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Slack Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. Everyone >>>>>> can create a new room there. Registering is possible via >>>>>> https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few days. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Discord Lojbanists have https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs are >>>>>> preserved. >>>>>> >>>>>> Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not preserved unless >>>>>> you use specific software. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: Creative Care Services >>>>>> Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn >>>>>> To: llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As I believe that is sufficient votes, I hereby declare the 2017 >>>>>> meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discussion >>>>>> is welcome in this chat. >>>>>> >>>>>> .karis. >>>>>> President, Logical Language Group >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Per request of the president, here is a tabulation of votes on the >>>>>>> motion to adjourn. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aye (10): >>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>> Lojbab >>>>>>> Curtis >>>>>>> Karis >>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>> Ilmen >>>>>>> Riley >>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>> Veion >>>>>>> Ali >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Abstain (1): >>>>>>> guskant >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No (1): >>>>>>> selpa'i >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --000000000000813d7d056a2dc306 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Discord seems good to me.

~~~ Curtis W. Franks

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 01:01 Creative Care Services <= ;comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wro= te:
We didn't= actually make any decision and the discussion just stopped, as far as I ca= n tell. My preference is Discord, mainly because of the record formed for e= verything submitted in text, at least. I also don't know about other fo= rms. My familiarity with it is through Ingress and Delta T (both phone-base= d AR games) chats and I like the structure of one server containing, potent= ially, multiple conversation streams. The one thing I miss is the ability t= o directly reply within a conversation. Individual direct messaging is also= easy. One very convenient feature is when you open the application, at lea= st on my phone, the total number of new messages displays on the left pulsi= ng menu. Open that and the number in the direct messaging section, and for = each channel displays, and this continues through any more layers.

Does anyone have more to say on this = matter before the Board Meeting? I would like to use whichever method for t= hat as a small scale test.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 13:32 Curtis Franks <cu= rtis.w.franks@gmail.com> wrote:
Did we ever decide on any details?

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:3= 4 PM, Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
I absolutely want meetings to not happen at only a fi= xed time and live as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in too many t= ime zones and have too many responsibilities to expect reasonable attendanc= e at a meeting scheduled that way.

Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeting went = fairly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother became = seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails supplemente= d by Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they will be more ef= ficient while allowing all interested to participate.

My thought is for a main chat thread for all = discussion with side threads for stating and voting only on each proposal. = Additional side charts could be used for side discussions, possibly, but th= ey would not be official. These could include clarifications, and whatever = else.

.karis.=C2=A0

= On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com><= /span>:
My concern with Slack is our need for a full record despite the number o= f posts. All the groups I'm in that use it hit that limit quite quickly= .=C2=A0

As for Discord, I know= we can organize it to cover multiple topics each in their own thread. The = issue with it is threading takes significant management as it isn't at = all automatic. I have seen it done, though, and I know who to ask for help.= =C2=A0

I propose NOT to u= se threading in any way. That is one thread for everything.

<= /div>
This way it will be quite easy to copy logs e.g. every day by jus= t selecting text from the browser.
Slack also has plugins that al= low export with threads but I'm currently not sure how to save such thr= eads into e.g. mw.lojban.org or any other s= ort of permanent "clay tablets".

If peop= le want to discuss several topics at once they can do so sequentially, not = in parallel.

I also propose either Google D= ocs or PiratePa= d=C2=A0for writing out proposals such as amendments to bylaws etc. Voti= ng can be done by writing down your names in the pad. In the chat one can w= arn that e.g. he/she didn't vote but his/her name for some reason appea= red in the piratepad.

=C2=A0

I know other sites exist for managing discussion grou= ps, but I don't have familiarity with them. Does anyone else?=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
<= /div>
So I propose either Slack or D= iscord or IRC for the next meeting.

Telegram requi= res having a phone number, which some members might not have so this option= should be avoided imo.

On Slack Lojbanists already hav= e an informal Lojbanic place. Everyone can create a new room there. Registe= ring is possible via https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few days.<= div>
On Discord Lojbanists have=C2=A0https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs ar= e preserved.

Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat= logs are not preserved unless you use specific software.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Creative Care Services <= comcaresvcs@gmail= .com>
Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00
Subject: Re: [Ll= g-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn
To: llg-members@lojban.org

=
As I believe that is sufficient votes,=C2=A0 I hereby= declare the 2017 meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less of= ficial discussion is welcome in this chat.

.karis.=C2=A0
President, Logical Langua= ge Group

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
Per request of th= e president, here is a tabulation of votes on the motion to adjourn.

Aye (10):
Pierre
Lojbab
Curtis
Karis
Adam
Ilmen
Riley
Alex
Veion
Ali

Abstain (1):
guskant

No (1):
selpa'i


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