Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33740 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fCp1W-0006rG-Cz; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:18:02 -0700 Received: from mail-oi0-f45.google.com ([209.85.218.45]:35278) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fCp0z-0006pj-KN for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:17:31 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id a6-v6so5610389oia.2 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:17:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KAOyu+bkjQTyC7pdtr4mSJINInT+RtkJoPHQlO9/mHI=; b=b07GUmCsyLGfZucTxRY9h5ZrfZLutfgFbDUFofYj5OvEBq9eGXIAl6C3NNEZzFqsGz UI+FCVqPRi/5pRAaKeXP5E1KrUwdsXOPmw3ZkAN3tTyQi5nQ2KqZroDz8NjhERT1y67B epOGlaU+e69mYwX5/jcdOF+FpOZIw99gCCS59MOd75AbPY1YZ4jg8+/Mp3E5NlhScgPI v2BMjBgiOwkxPTFeukmGbabwlFKtldhA9iGUiMChSMY/3Ypw8nIjuI7Aq/dAeGC0oRvS 5z7/k1kWPEb/lvj11ri+3E/u6o3EgPtJl9WAb5fZS3r20Qoy61byy/ChD4xIo9sGgaCp 3r/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=KAOyu+bkjQTyC7pdtr4mSJINInT+RtkJoPHQlO9/mHI=; b=J56VNKN5rdUIXOZxR1qNpgarlDHSrdGjLYS3uF2XVKosJIMZgqzRKPK8rkJ7Pp2/tb I2D3pXAayaik2KYNQ55qMEvXjZv9PZLPCXgZurX/FAEZYslpD6jVF3N17MqQj5TjGd0Q XhMIwt69Mfsj9fyopOyODrDz7ZASrgR/CgGuIbm4wjf9xauEWGSYYm3TRCwFZTSzRi16 sr1okPZxGON84u5CdfUuiA7+WL2ja0HBwi4An3PU654o2fo9hiSvOIUJ4RihAX5Pzeiy /4Cqgj0g1d5l+p0NKgK+8ed4/eAPJX1lsYhf6V6seu84ip9VjjMOXtLP9V2xO8fdb1mt 3Dng== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCq84/5Zp9o0/PsPRqBkzetIbKj82qQlALY7R7aEarry4Su8Il0 5w3Bi4L1tkXbzCFrHsO4WpKl8N/n4/V79XKDvw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqEVnS/U6NtrZAamCg1M08CanTgtAozfmKFkFZ3ySR7T2luFfdsKClXLw0CCvtRy5mxWwxIggFLOw03O1IOIY8= X-Received: by 2002:aca:a8c8:: with SMTP id r191-v6mr5702545oie.107.1525018642986; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:17:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.201.41.161 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:16:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 19:16:42 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4367126001152777905==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============4367126001152777905== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007dbb4e056aff12e4" --0000000000007dbb4e056aff12e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Can anyone confirm if threads are possible in Discord? I can't find them. I can confirm threads are possible in Slack and absent in IRC and Telegram. 2018-04-19 8:00 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services : > We didn't actually make any decision and the discussion just stopped, as > far as I can tell. My preference is Discord, mainly because of the record > formed for everything submitted in text, at least. I also don't know about > other forms. My familiarity with it is through Ingress and Delta T (both > phone-based AR games) chats and I like the structure of one server > containing, potentially, multiple conversation streams. The one thing I > miss is the ability to directly reply within a conversation. Individual > direct messaging is also easy. One very convenient feature is when you open > the application, at least on my phone, the total number of new messages > displays on the left pulsing menu. Open that and the number in the direct > messaging section, and for each channel displays, and this continues > through any more layers. > > Does anyone have more to say on this matter before the Board Meeting? I > would like to use whichever method for that as a small scale test. > > .karis. > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 13:32 Curtis Franks > wrote: > >> Did we ever decide on any details? >> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Creative Care Services < >> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I absolutely want meetings to not happen at only a fixed time and live >>> as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in too many time zones and have >>> too many responsibilities to expect reasonable attendance at a meeting >>> scheduled that way. >>> >>> Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeting went >>> fairly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother became >>> seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails >>> supplemented by Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they will >>> be more efficient while allowing all interested to participate. >>> >>> My thought is for a main chat thread for all discussion with side >>> threads for stating and voting only on each proposal. Additional side >>> charts could be used for side discussions, possibly, but they would not be >>> official. These could include clarifications, and whatever else. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services >>> >: >>>> >>>>> My concern with Slack is our need for a full record despite the number >>>>> of posts. All the groups I'm in that use it hit that limit quite quickly. >>>>> >>>>> As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topics >>>>> each in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significant >>>>> management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though, and I >>>>> know who to ask for help. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I propose NOT to use threading in any way. That is one thread for >>>> everything. >>>> >>>> This way it will be quite easy to copy logs e.g. every day by just >>>> selecting text from the browser. >>>> Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but I'm currently >>>> not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.org or any other >>>> sort of permanent "clay tablets". >>>> >>>> If people want to discuss several topics at once they can do so >>>> sequentially, not in parallel. >>>> >>>> *I also propose* either Google Docs or PiratePad >>>> for writing out >>>> proposals such as amendments to bylaws etc. Voting can be done by writing >>>> down your names in the pad. In the chat one can warn that e.g. he/she >>>> didn't vote but his/her name for some reason appeared in the piratepad. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I don't >>>>> have familiarity with them. Does anyone else? >>>>> >>>>> .karis. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So I propose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meeting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Telegram requires having a phone number, which some members might not >>>>>> have so this option should be avoided imo. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Slack Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. Everyone >>>>>> can create a new room there. Registering is possible via >>>>>> https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few days. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Discord Lojbanists have https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs are >>>>>> preserved. >>>>>> >>>>>> Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not preserved unless >>>>>> you use specific software. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: Creative Care Services >>>>>> Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn >>>>>> To: llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As I believe that is sufficient votes, I hereby declare the 2017 >>>>>> meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discussion >>>>>> is welcome in this chat. >>>>>> >>>>>> .karis. >>>>>> President, Logical Language Group >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Per request of the president, here is a tabulation of votes on the >>>>>>> motion to adjourn. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aye (10): >>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>> Lojbab >>>>>>> Curtis >>>>>>> Karis >>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>> Ilmen >>>>>>> Riley >>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>> Veion >>>>>>> Ali >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Abstain (1): >>>>>>> guskant >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No (1): >>>>>>> selpa'i >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --0000000000007dbb4e056aff12e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can anyone confirm if threads are possible in Discord? I c= an't find them.

I can confirm threads are possible i= n Slack and absent in IRC and Telegram.

2018-04-19 8:00 GMT+03:00 Creative Care S= ervices <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
We didn't actually make any decision and t= he discussion just stopped, as far as I can tell. My preference is Discord,= mainly because of the record formed for everything submitted in text, at l= east. I also don't know about other forms. My familiarity with it is th= rough Ingress and Delta T (both phone-based AR games) chats and I like the = structure of one server containing, potentially, multiple conversation stre= ams. The one thing I miss is the ability to directly reply within a convers= ation. Individual direct messaging is also easy. One very convenient featur= e is when you open the application, at least on my phone, the total number = of new messages displays on the left pulsing menu. Open that and the number= in the direct messaging section, and for each channel displays, and this c= ontinues through any more layers.

Does anyone have more to say on this matter before the Board Meeting? I= would like to use whichever method for that as a small scale test.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0
=

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 13:32 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.= franks@gmail.com> wrote:
Did we ever decide on any details?

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:34 PM, C= reative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail= .com> wrote:
I absolutely want meetings to not happen at only a fixed time and live = as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in too many time zones and have= too many responsibilities to expect reasonable attendance at a meeting sch= eduled that way.

Further, as s= omeone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeting went fairly well until = during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother became seriously ill. Ass= uming we use a chat format rather than emails supplemented by Google docs/s= heets or something similar I believe they will be more efficient while allo= wing all interested to participate.

My thought is for a main chat thread for all discussion with si= de threads for stating and voting only on each proposal. Additional side ch= arts could be used for side discussions, possibly, but they would not be of= ficial. These could include clarifications, and whatever else.

.karis.=C2=A0
=

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018,= 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= > wrote:


2018-03-26 2:17 GMT= +03:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
<= div dir=3D"auto">
My concern with Slack is our need for a = full record despite the number of posts. All the groups I'm in that use= it hit that limit quite quickly.=C2=A0

As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topic= s each in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significan= t management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though,= and I know who to ask for help.=C2=A0
<= br>
I propose NOT to use threading in any way. That is one thread= for everything.

This way it will be quite easy to= copy logs e.g. every day by just selecting text from the browser.
Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but I'm current= ly not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.o= rg or any other sort of permanent "clay tablets".
<= br>
If people want to discuss several topics at once they can do = so sequentially, not in parallel.

I also propos= e either Google Docs or PiratePad=C2=A0for writing out proposals such as amendments to bylaws= etc. Voting can be done by writing down your names in the pad. In the chat= one can warn that e.g. he/she didn't vote but his/her name for some re= ason appeared in the piratepad.

=C2=A0

I know other sites exist for managing discu= ssion groups, but I don't have familiarity with them. Does anyone else?= =C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
So I propose either Slack or Disc= ord or IRC for the next meeting.

Telegram requires= having a phone number, which some members might not have so this option sh= ould be avoided imo.

On Slack Lojbanists already have a= n informal Lojbanic place. Everyone can create a new room there. Registerin= g is possible via https://sla= ka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few days.

=
On Discord Lojbanists have=C2=A0https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs are preserved.

Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not preser= ved unless you use specific software.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>
Date: 20= 18-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00
Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes,= motion to adjourn
To: l= lg-members@lojban.org


As I believe that is= sufficient votes,=C2=A0 I hereby declare the 2017 meeting of the LLG Membe= rship adjourned. Further, less official discussion is welcome in this chat.=

.karis.=C2=A0
President, Logical Language Group

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG = Secretary <shunpiker@gmail.= com> wrote:
Per request of the president, here is a tabulation of votes on the motio= n to adjourn.

Aye (10):
Pierre
Lojbab
Curtis
Karis
Adam
Ilmen
Riley
Alex
Veion
Ali

Abstain (1):
guskant

No (1):
selpa'i


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