Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44712 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fD1SK-00032e-BI; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:34:32 -0700 Received: from mail-yb0-f182.google.com ([209.85.213.182]:45316) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fD1Rm-00031O-VZ for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:34:01 -0700 Received: by mail-yb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r13-v6so2657767ybm.12 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:33:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rRZ7VXHpduvvLYNniyypKDEjjRxRwP2q31VfBHJWgs8=; b=Vg1PZXKOE7AWUN/fx40vxRHtgzB0dyNcsm9yG62qn4rikeME+mtjHo8WaIyXu0R4C+ o1dAuvi9XTGVXkRIvyszcTBGXpTZxGeoDzLYNrmW5MIjaxz/5n7OkkTGR94We06UHIPt vuhn2SpClnsGnAlMQza3Q2qV4h3xzOxKLu//byblsep5efNVAEebM9tD2qSo1UMLXb3e K/jWgAnaXfmEGw2k6W3FU2gd/i5ExjgfN3KUvIX5nwTq4Uj2ExtFZzPpepVUU84aEt5u 374LAu2sHDJujYUSWPuJMQ43K6BL7UXl8Mf15HrYscy3WFaJD3tXWS36qlSLcNEL/a0x WyAg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=rRZ7VXHpduvvLYNniyypKDEjjRxRwP2q31VfBHJWgs8=; b=SgLVnqRIbrJyS8lcmD3AslG8zFbyJDC0Z/09BLhklXjsnGIzBSzcS32cCeGuuphvkt m993MDuuobc134RkOnoP4sCtyWRAzYuz8eUf9As9NIvzGibHddp+GiGbzrOQY6/dMBzU +2jd3bP2pgZALEnSdwEkV4RwUakcC/FhIatv4J7Ob1cuAMhZeg34vzrY61ZNGuF4es4M F/10ySeP+GqE6bVI8UDdrgkEcwrp+6vaAIwx4hVJwNIc/IzYcLv7y9xmU6aV3434YJiJ apENBUQpMOWLYdbLSPqPvXuynX0iTwWoZrQwJ3OV8GvMQHgpjpxap6C3BrNHs6Zis9QG VzQg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tC8KcKisK/PnB5ONsfLtskhsnvS9EF6DyyIAe4y4RMZ6qFC1DgA kHOxUfaD9Xkt6SMLqwdKJqx13bI2U2MFtlZcfec= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqY1aEWWpa++rE9sOw7sePiNxw/pp6lkU/Sk/JyUFD9LWuSH0O7P8/uahBdGUXXE7ZTHgNgrl+6dpuKEppo4Ck= X-Received: by 2002:a25:804e:: with SMTP id a14-v6mr3041805ybn.90.1525066432276; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 22:33:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Curtis Franks Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:33:41 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0101499831092217895==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0101499831092217895== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f46e3c056b0a324d" --000000000000f46e3c056b0a324d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I prefer threads. ~~~ Curtis W. Franks On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 01:25 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2018-04-30 4:43 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > >> According to this ( >> https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/suggestions/15859336-threaded-text-chat >> ), which is not even a month old, it seems to be impossible. I see multiple >> other requests for the same feature going back several years, so it seems >> that either it is impossible or a decent fraction of the prospective >> Discord community does not know how to do it (of course, my search is going >> to bias my results). >> >> I should add that I did not read the entire page all the way - just a few >> comments in order to make sure that no-one immediately told the original >> poster that threading is indeed possible. If someone did so later on, >> though, then I definitely missed it. >> > > Neither does Gitter: > https://gitter.im/gitterHQ/topics/topic/57f4e71fe581953f7e9b9833/integrating-topics-with-chat > > We then need to decide if we need threads that is whether we shall discuss > several topics in parallel. > If some of us do then we need to think of software that supports it. As I > said Slack does. Maybe other (or other self hosted) software can do that, > idk. > > > >> >> >> ~~~ Curtis >> >> On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Can anyone confirm if threads are possible in Discord? I can't find them. >>> >>> I can confirm threads are possible in Slack and absent in IRC and >>> Telegram. >>> >>> 2018-04-19 8:00 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services >>> : >>> >>>> We didn't actually make any decision and the discussion just stopped, >>>> as far as I can tell. My preference is Discord, mainly because of the >>>> record formed for everything submitted in text, at least. I also don't know >>>> about other forms. My familiarity with it is through Ingress and Delta T >>>> (both phone-based AR games) chats and I like the structure of one server >>>> containing, potentially, multiple conversation streams. The one thing I >>>> miss is the ability to directly reply within a conversation. Individual >>>> direct messaging is also easy. One very convenient feature is when you open >>>> the application, at least on my phone, the total number of new messages >>>> displays on the left pulsing menu. Open that and the number in the direct >>>> messaging section, and for each channel displays, and this continues >>>> through any more layers. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have more to say on this matter before the Board Meeting? I >>>> would like to use whichever method for that as a small scale test. >>>> >>>> .karis. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 13:32 Curtis Franks >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Did we ever decide on any details? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Creative Care Services < >>>>> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I absolutely want meetings to not happen at only a fixed time and >>>>>> live as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in too many time zones and >>>>>> have too many responsibilities to expect reasonable attendance at a meeting >>>>>> scheduled that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeting went >>>>>> fairly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother became >>>>>> seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails >>>>>> supplemented by Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they will >>>>>> be more efficient while allowing all interested to participate. >>>>>> >>>>>> My thought is for a main chat thread for all discussion with side >>>>>> threads for stating and voting only on each proposal. Additional side >>>>>> charts could be used for side discussions, possibly, but they would not be >>>>>> official. These could include clarifications, and whatever else. >>>>>> >>>>>> .karis. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna < >>>>>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services < >>>>>>> comcaresvcs@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My concern with Slack is our need for a full record despite the >>>>>>>> number of posts. All the groups I'm in that use it hit that limit quite >>>>>>>> quickly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topics >>>>>>>> each in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significant >>>>>>>> management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though, and I >>>>>>>> know who to ask for help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I propose NOT to use threading in any way. That is one thread for >>>>>>> everything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This way it will be quite easy to copy logs e.g. every day by just >>>>>>> selecting text from the browser. >>>>>>> Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but I'm >>>>>>> currently not sure how to save such threads into e.g. mw.lojban.org >>>>>>> or any other sort of permanent "clay tablets". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If people want to discuss several topics at once they can do so >>>>>>> sequentially, not in parallel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I also propose* either Google Docs or PiratePad >>>>>>> for writing >>>>>>> out proposals such as amendments to bylaws etc. Voting can be done by >>>>>>> writing down your names in the pad. In the chat one can warn that e.g. >>>>>>> he/she didn't vote but his/her name for some reason appeared in the >>>>>>> piratepad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I >>>>>>>> don't have familiarity with them. Does anyone else? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> .karis. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna < >>>>>>>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So I propose either Slack or Discord or IRC for the next meeting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Telegram requires having a phone number, which some members might >>>>>>>>> not have so this option should be avoided imo. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Slack Lojbanists already have an informal Lojbanic place. >>>>>>>>> Everyone can create a new room there. Registering is possible via >>>>>>>>> https://slaka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few >>>>>>>>> days. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Discord Lojbanists have https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs >>>>>>>>> are preserved. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are not preserved >>>>>>>>> unless you use specific software. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Creative Care Services >>>>>>>>> Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00 >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Tabulation of votes, motion to adjourn >>>>>>>>> To: llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I believe that is sufficient votes, I hereby declare the 2017 >>>>>>>>> meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discussion >>>>>>>>> is welcome in this chat. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> .karis. >>>>>>>>> President, Logical Language Group >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Per request of the president, here is a tabulation of votes on >>>>>>>>>> the motion to adjourn. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aye (10): >>>>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>>>>> Lojbab >>>>>>>>>> Curtis >>>>>>>>>> Karis >>>>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>>>> Ilmen >>>>>>>>>> Riley >>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>> Veion >>>>>>>>>> Ali >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Abstain (1): >>>>>>>>>> guskant >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No (1): >>>>>>>>>> selpa'i >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --000000000000f46e3c056b0a324d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I prefer threads.

~~~ Curtis W. Franks

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 01:25 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-04-30 4:43 GMT+03:00 Curtis = Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
According to thi= s (=C2=A0https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-la= nd/suggestions/15859336-threaded-text-chat ), which is not even a month= old, it seems to be impossible. I see multiple other requests for the same= feature going back several years, so it seems that either it is impossible= or a decent fraction of the prospective Discord community does not know ho= w to do it (of course, my search is going to bias my results).

I sho= uld add that I did not read the entire page all the way - just a few commen= ts in order to make sure that no-one immediately told the original poster t= hat threading is indeed possible. If someone did so later on, though, then = I definitely missed it.


We then need to= decide if we need threads that is whether we shall discuss several topics = in parallel.
If some of us do then we need to think of software t= hat supports it. As I said Slack does. Maybe other (or other self hosted) s= oftware can do that, idk.

=C2=A0


~~~ Curtis

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Gleki Arxokuna = <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Can anyone confirm = if threads are possible in Discord? I can't find them.

I can confirm threads are possible in Slack and absent in IRC and Telegr= am.

2018-04-19 8:00 = GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail= .com>:
<= div dir=3D"auto">We didn't actually make any decision and the discussio= n just stopped, as far as I can tell. My preference is Discord, mainly beca= use of the record formed for everything submitted in text, at least. I also= don't know about other forms. My familiarity with it is through Ingres= s and Delta T (both phone-based AR games) chats and I like the structure of= one server containing, potentially, multiple conversation streams. The one= thing I miss is the ability to directly reply within a conversation. Indiv= idual direct messaging is also easy. One very convenient feature is when yo= u open the application, at least on my phone, the total number of new messa= ges displays on the left pulsing menu. Open that and the number in the dire= ct messaging section, and for each channel displays, and this continues thr= ough any more layers.

Does any= one have more to say on this matter before the Board Meeting? I would like = to use whichever method for that as a small scale test.=C2=A0

.karis.=C2=A0

On Mon, A= pr 16, 2018, 13:32 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Did we ever decide on any details?

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Creat= ive Care Services <comcaresvc= s@gmail.com> wrote:
I absolutely want meetings to not happen at o= nly a fixed time and live as I stated during the 2016 meeting. We are in to= o many time zones and have too many responsibilities to expect reasonable a= ttendance at a meeting scheduled that way.

Further, as someone, I think Gleki, commented the recent meeti= ng went fairly well until during our just after Thanksgiving when my mother= became seriously ill. Assuming we use a chat format rather than emails sup= plemented by Google docs/sheets or something similar I believe they will be= more efficient while allowing all interested to participate.

My thought is for a main chat thread = for all discussion with side threads for stating and voting only on each pr= oposal. Additional side charts could be used for side discussions, possibly= , but they would not be official. These could include clarifications, and w= hatever else.

.karis.=C2= =A0

On Mon, = Mar 26, 2018, 02:41 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.= is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-03-26 2:17 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.c= om>:
My concern with Slack is our need for a fu= ll record despite the number of posts. All the groups I'm in that use i= t hit that limit quite quickly.=C2=A0

As for Discord, I know we can organize it to cover multiple topic= s each in their own thread. The issue with it is threading takes significan= t management as it isn't at all automatic. I have seen it done, though,= and I know who to ask for help.=C2=A0
<= br>
I propose NOT to use threading in any way. That is one thread= for everything.

This way it will be quite easy to= copy logs e.g. every day by just selecting text from the browser.
Slack also has plugins that allow export with threads but I'm current= ly not sure how to save such threads into e.g. = mw.lojban.org or any other sort of permanent "clay tablets".<= /div>

If people want to discuss several topics at once t= hey can do so sequentially, not in parallel.

I = also propose either Google Docs or PiratePad=C2=A0for writing out proposals such a= s amendments to bylaws etc. Voting can be done by writing down your names i= n the pad. In the chat one can warn that e.g. he/she didn't vote but hi= s/her name for some reason appeared in the piratepad.

<= div>=C2=A0

I= know other sites exist for managing discussion groups, but I don't hav= e familiarity with them. Does anyone else?=C2=A0
.karis.=C2=A0


On Sun, Mar 25, 20= 18, 15:28 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
So I propose either Slack or Discord or IR= C for the next meeting.

Telegram requires having a= phone number, which some members might not have so this option should be a= voided imo.

On Slack Lojbanists already have an informa= l Lojbanic place. Everyone can create a new room there. Registering is poss= ible via https://s= laka.herokuapp.com Chat logs are preserved for a few days.

On Discord Lojbanists have=C2=A0https://discord.gg/c8weYzf Chat logs are preserved.=

Everyone here knows what is IRC. Chat logs are no= t preserved unless you use specific software.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>=
Date: 2018-03-25 21:49 GMT+03:00
Subject: Re: [Llg-members] T= abulation of votes, motion to adjourn
To: llg-members@lojban.org


As I believe that is sufficient votes,=C2=A0 I hereby declare the= 2017 meeting of the LLG Membership adjourned. Further, less official discu= ssion is welcome in this chat.

.karis.=C2=A0
President, Logical Language Group

On Sat, Mar 24, = 2018, 12:18 LLG Secretary <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
Per request of the president, here is a ta= bulation of votes on the motion to adjourn.

Aye (10):
Pierre
Lojbab
Curtis
Karis
Adam
Ilmen
Riley
Alex
Veion
Ali

Abstain (1):
guskant

No (1):
selpa'i


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