Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50874 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fEpHS-0007Gn-Ma; Fri, 04 May 2018 21:58:46 -0700 Received: from mail-ot0-f170.google.com ([74.125.82.170]:38718) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fEpGv-0007Ew-LC for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 04 May 2018 21:58:15 -0700 Received: by mail-ot0-f170.google.com with SMTP id j27-v6so26724008ota.5 for ; Fri, 04 May 2018 21:58:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=9ssrXrvpsCjgFVSEL7S1jj8oGA/pM0Bu5RW85yE+6vA=; b=cvQsRv2Z/hMkYLtyWbZ74kmL9n0A5G0oY+Dn9J1hYpYLPNRcFcnuvwdM6ulRGa0gNw lKe1lPf1udxsRLkeNm28kbJ5FxdJ8gJb3h413vQJrc7tdrUbWv7b+aH/hGO6/nW72GJ4 330b/qMuEunjGC+JpC9bpMdoV1M5mcbH9JNXiLBRsT+i5r4pCHkbV90S0+nXi+539DqD G66g+yX3gnffuoY1CJlPB29NYDj0Mz+Ey93AlSYV8XzkdcLk143ImVZ8ajlbcOslo2pp bE25RzSoKzpf9onNnM7wEvBanENHyJbPvaH+pb5df/yOXoMaJELUUE5jL0H5xo6fk9uT vl5A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=9ssrXrvpsCjgFVSEL7S1jj8oGA/pM0Bu5RW85yE+6vA=; b=iH2dCgxERl8m696y0lc6zdnd6ep0yex+S8A1pj2DWmttcOiebdz4s9ujk8X+s6SlYk L9j/8xorK2bc7Q1qrOU9/rQ3/CgW1BlDhizRjO5YyS8Dx3/qC8jQpYvgHO8A6/5NBpHv FkVJk9s1aUjuQ2qLJn9zl8RXFOsbPvChMHEZRuW4LpyKul5bvaR0sY60zeBiKP9X4QQ2 AF2KKqtrNP4APGLGmGDUoCD9AsBCwSwyQp+hP5TfQTIE8KFE7AZQMm+6CyPM9cQ7S7pd C1o6f4UipAo/Wt68xpgE3cJMHV62pfbNf6VAp4Busb+OEaZm+SFjHw1wkdafUr9KrJUz jFnA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDVkgeyr1vomEZs8IKhZACfGDfvp2gzqxNPpVtQ+dNDZ4EebPUY uvVb+glazjJfSZJ3jnl0RjVXc9zXBk8gKH5nEQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZoPpBV/I9ezCFtIpYmmIi9DUn6EFJ5GD34wJruD/Nu8PXsSMKfBNlviL/0HeaViaWnLSYwVO/dfTZwxIqcEykM= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:3844:: with SMTP id r4-v6mr19916026otd.13.1525496287052; Fri, 04 May 2018 21:58:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.201.41.161 with HTTP; Fri, 4 May 2018 21:57:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 07:57:26 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1670038374819913831==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1670038374819913831== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004bc802056b6e489a" --0000000000004bc802056b6e489a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 2018-05-05 4:54 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services : > Woost might be great, except it's being updated and apparently isn't > Woost. I also haven't ever used it so would want to take a look first since > I'm currently President. > Maintained software is usually permanently updated. No updates is a usually a sign of dead projects. I think it won't be any good to change to a tool that is worse than the current mailing list in handling threads. Woost is more powerful than the current mailing list system. I just showed what could be theoretically used. But let's try some messengers then. I vote for Slack. > .karis. > > On Wed, May 2, 2018, 15:08 Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: > >> >> >> 2018-05-02 21:30 GMT+03:00 Ilmen : >> >>> How about using channel categories as threads? >>> >> >> Person A utters something and this message must have an ability to start >> a new thread. >> >> Here is how it's done in Slack: >> http://joxi.net/Dr8Xo51tkwO3Or >> Any message can become a seed to a whole thread. >> Channel categories are forethought things. You can not know beforehand >> which topics will be raised or (sic!) what a certain topic will *shift >> into*. >> >> Ideally, we'd want a tree-like structure >> 1. like commenting system at jbovlaste.lojban.org or >> 2. like when one creates new threads by changing topics of email messages >> and other people replying to particular messages. Not chaning the topic of >> en email message equals to continuing the thread, changing the topic means >> opening a new thread. >> >> >> >> (we may even consider a hypergraph system like >> https://github.com/woost/wust but it could be an overkill) >> >> >> >> >>> I don't know what Discord permission is needed to be able to create new >>> #-categories but I suppose it is possible to give all the members this >>> power somehow. >>> >>> >>> Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>> >>> Among self-hosted ones >>> Mattermost supports threads (Mattermost can be installed e.g. via >>> https://github.com/mozilla/mattermost-heroku/). >>> Rocket.Chats do not support threads: https://github.com/ >>> RocketChat/Rocket.Chat/issues/1112 >>> >>> Self-hosting software seems to me like an overkill. >>> >>> Also note that Slack retains not more than 10,000 messages in its free >>> of charge plan. >>> >>> >>> 2018-04-30 8:33 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : >>> >>>> I prefer threads. >>>> >>>> ~~~ Curtis W. Franks >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 01:25 Gleki Arxokuna >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2018-04-30 4:43 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : >>>>> >>>>>> According to this ( https://feedback.discordapp. >>>>>> com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/suggestions/ >>>>>> 15859336-threaded-text-chat ), which is not even a month old, it >>>>>> seems to be impossible. I see multiple other requests for the same feature >>>>>> going back several years, so it seems that either it is impossible or a >>>>>> decent fraction of the prospective Discord community does not know how to >>>>>> do it (of course, my search is going to bias my results). >>>>>> >>>>>> I should add that I did not read the entire page all the way - just a >>>>>> few comments in order to make sure that no-one immediately told the >>>>>> original poster that threading is indeed possible. If someone did so later >>>>>> on, though, then I definitely missed it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Neither does Gitter: https://gitter.im/gitterHQ/topics/topic/ >>>>> 57f4e71fe581953f7e9b9833/integrating-topics-with-chat >>>>> >>>>> We then need to decide if we need threads that is whether we shall >>>>> discuss several topics in parallel. >>>>> If some of us do then we need to think of software that supports it. >>>>> As I said Slack does. Maybe other (or other self hosted) software can do >>>>> that, idk. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~ Curtis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Garanti >>> sans virus. www.avast.com >>> >>> <#m_6794018740523581461_m_-2489832248397018812_m_5150670592946191930_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --0000000000004bc802056b6e489a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2018-05-05 4:54 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <= comcaresvcs@gmai= l.com>:
W= oost might be great, except it's being updated and apparently isn't= Woost. I also haven't ever used it so would want to take a look first = since I'm currently President.

Maintained software is usually permanently updated. No updates= is a usually a sign of dead projects.=C2=A0
I think it won't= be any good to change to a tool that is worse than the current mailing lis= t in handling threads.
Woost is more powerful than the curren= t mailing list system. I just showed what could be theoretically used.

But let's try some messengers then. I vote for Sla= ck.





.karis.=C2=A0

On Wed, May 2, 2018, 15= :08 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-05-02 21:30 GMT+03:00 Ilmen &= lt;ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>:
=20 =20 =20
How about using channel categories as threads?

Person A utters something and this message must have an a= bility to start a new thread.

Here is how it's= done in Slack:
=
Any message can become a seed to a whole thread.
Channel cat= egories are forethought things. You can not know beforehand which topics wi= ll be raised or (sic!) what a certain topic will shift into.

Ideally, we'd want a tree-like structure=C2=A0
<= div>1. like commenting system at jbovlaste.lojban.org or=C2=A0
<= div>2. like when one creates new threads by changing topics of email messag= es and other people replying to particular messages. Not chaning the topic = of en email message equals to continuing the thread, changing the topic mea= ns opening a new thread.



=
(we may even consider a hypergraph system like https://github.com/= woost/wust but it could be an overkill)

=C2=A0
=
I don't know what Discord permission is needed to be able to create new #-categories but I suppose it is possible to give all the members this power somehow.


Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
Among self-hosted ones
Mattermost supports threads (Mattermost can be installed e.g. via https://github.com/mozilla/matt= ermost-heroku/).
Rocket.Chats do not support threads:=C2=A0https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat/issues/1112=

Self-hosting software seems to me like an overkill.

Also note that Slack retains not more than 10,000 messages in its free of charge plan.


2018-04-30 8:33 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
I prefer threads.

~~~ Curtis W. Franks

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 01:25 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-04-30 4:43 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com>:
According to this (=C2=A0= https://feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/= suggestions/15859336-threaded-text-chat ), which is not even a month old, it seems to be impossible. I see multiple other requests for the same feature going back several years, so it seems that either it is impossible or a decent fraction of the prospective Discord community does not know how to do it (of course, my search is going to bias my results).

I should add that I did not read the entire page all the way - just a few comments in order to make sure that no-one immediately told the original poster that threading is indeed possible. If someone did so later on, though, then I definitely missed it.


We then need to decide if we need threads that is whether we shall discuss several topics in parallel.
If some of us do then we need to think of software that supports it. As I said Slack does. Maybe other (or other self hosted) software can do that, idk.

=C2=A0


~~~ Curtis



3D"" Garanti sans v= irus. www.ava= st.com

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