Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53346 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fIJcm-0000aZ-GW; Mon, 14 May 2018 12:59:12 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f46.google.com ([209.85.213.46]:44429) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fIJcG-0000Z1-3x for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 14 May 2018 12:58:41 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f46.google.com with SMTP id x66-v6so8293953vka.11 for ; Mon, 14 May 2018 12:58:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oRdXi22E8k/aMH6HUBGGQmCw9jrAI0jvnJxfx+kCfpI=; b=qkpigLaxPemmmo4Z20nmd9Uj5VX1kasLTbYPIHPWLy1/oKAUTeNBJkrZYs6axLS5wd Y6uCf6KRHJv5aCN1ltePHoPFYD5532svuwVd3Um5mPyRcCEEMdD2GiqSly4C0EaWKi41 99eyl1SwnxBuxvQTZg0hrXaGgNzGJn3SxKjHKuQrF33+ow4B3Dqjq5AmKLf9EokjFupb CqG+WjFDpYsKmX8KK3YpCd47Z4CvnhXVSrUIhujJxwcDde1DzkdINIjGeIGHX7e2j2Dr tWu0vykRq6C+3MC1M3keoB7GTAzz3CIHQMchcga03J7tt75i/DDC0sESL5ekVBUJwoIW zeZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oRdXi22E8k/aMH6HUBGGQmCw9jrAI0jvnJxfx+kCfpI=; b=gHGWMe20t133gOlnaA6aQPml8FjSJQHxpXp6OhviBZBjQLBhltUQNYXT6MSW49NUXp ZILBCVgv6qxJ0PIfOQcxCjw8OwSKcXvamU1Y1LqU3iUdHn4sRNNhPJn3L1ayNhj7/MOP JLBpsSRZmuAw9SvCarkxUfIWhC9ZAykrGVWwJfeuqJuieQFwXM2ElLwtSS+QyPshHvVE MBwsyRDmk3UrgmWOcsGxrE1JnB/lhYpgHHUXhhVk+GltC4j7eQar/CkLVotN7JQen/Yy phj+2jFHdTq7ihZXn8PkBBPqNLRlBKGohy7II6amZPhxhqN5E7GP+zKPlQo2joEAZMbA Pc2g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwci+K+vz/loJlsiM9AljGmZZPP3SGsNrjhSeuhkdMlysyMlIOaJ 4O/kuJW8fxue6IxTYVbJN2kMJosOddeMLsI7DBg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZoGsAt8bIPbjf6hYl5wrLdChzgKK+0UyDr16QFqij2rUScw896TFPWnPbuNcvE0yuuzTOq54IqtFJIqRkEB37A= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:f24c:: with SMTP id q73-v6mr11529509vkh.8.1526327913073; Mon, 14 May 2018 12:58:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2433829.zphRfaENWI@mooncat> In-Reply-To: From: Creative Care Services Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 15:58:20 -0400 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7152707843726167545==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7152707843726167545== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000011d246056c2fe902" --00000000000011d246056c2fe902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gleki, Would you be willing to see about server space for us? I agree that this Mattermost offers everything we can find in the other packages we have discussed we should need and none of the others have this ability for free. For anyone who hasn't followed the conversation, Mattermost provides the ability to have multiple channel categories, if we want, and a discussion which self threads in a package that is generally easy to use. Because the threading is as simple as selecting an icon beside the comment you are adding to our commenting on it should be straightforward to bring new people into. I am still working my way through the help files, but after (or even during) this meeting I'll feel comfortable with all the management of it outside of the ties to our specific server and its management. If no one objects is like to see what gleki can learn in the next week, and at that point we what is possible and how quickly. If it cannot be set up quickly we will use Discord for this meeting so we can get going or maybe start there and switch over at some point. .karis. On May 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: 2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > btw backups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the > next meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' information = in > past. > Silence. I wasn't clear, was I? If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its servers with logs of our conversations then we will be able to restore them from our memory only. This is unlike this mailing list where every member + Robin's servers each retains a copy of all the messages since the time they joined this mailing list. If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download backups anutime they want then the probability of losing anything will be mush lower. In case of Framateam we can of course regularly copy the logs manually. > 2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > >> Be more ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, >> migrate between servers >> >> On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services >> wrote: >> >>> What more could we do if we self-hosted? >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Please, check out framateam's version of mattermost: >>>> >>>> https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8k= my7yw >>>> >>>> If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary functionality >>>> is present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost on his servers. >>>> >>>> But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better (it's not nice >>>> to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than enough). Our = only >>>> concern would be getting backups of logs (which installation instructi= ons >>>> of Mattermost provide). >>>> >>>> >>>> 2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote: >>>>> > I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of permanency= . >>>>> As for >>>>> > Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like i= t >>>>> has to >>>>> > be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a passin= g >>>>> Linux >>>>> > familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the >>>>> moment I'm >>>>> > not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new >>>>> system for >>>>> > me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow >>>>> to act >>>>> > as administrator for us. I would want to see a working conversation= , >>>>> even >>>>> > if on another topic, before choosing this. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux boxes. I'm >>>>> behind a >>>>> satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable >>>>> for >>>>> anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu. >>>>> >>>>> Pierre >>>>> -- >>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>>>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --00000000000011d246056c2fe902 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gleki,

Would= you be willing to see about server space for us? I agree that this Matterm= ost offers everything we can find in the other packages we have discussed w= e should need and none of the others have this ability for free. For anyone= who hasn't followed the conversation, Mattermost provides the ability = to have multiple channel categories, if we want, and a discussion which sel= f threads in a package that is generally easy to use. Because the threading= is as simple as selecting an icon beside the comment you are adding to our= commenting on it should be straightforward to bring new people into. I am = still working my way through the help files, but after (or even during) thi= s meeting I'll feel comfortable with all the management of it outside o= f the ties to our specific server and its management.

If no one objects is like to see what gleki c= an learn in the next week, and at that point we what is possible and how qu= ickly. If it cannot be set up quickly we will use Discord for this meeting = so we can get going or maybe start there and switch over at some point.

.karis.=C2=A0

On May 14, 2018 07:= 59, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+0= 3:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.co= m>:
btw ba= ckups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the next meetin= g. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' information in past.<= /div>

Silence. I wasn't clear, wa= s I?

If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its = servers with logs of our conversations then we will be able to restore them= from our memory only.

This is unlike this mailing= list where every member + Robin's servers each retains a copy of all t= he messages since the time they joined this mailing list.

If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download ba= ckups anutime they want then the probability of losing anything will be mus= h lower.

In case of Framateam we can of course reg= ularly copy the logs manually.



<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">
2018-05-09 13:19 G= MT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmai= l.com>:
B= e more ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, migrat= e between servers=C2=A0

On Wed, May 9, 2018, 1= 2:18 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
=
What more could we d= o if we self-hosted?

.karis.= =C2=A0

On Tue, M= ay 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gm= ail.com> wrote:




2018-= 05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On = Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote:
> I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of permanency. A= s for
> Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like it h= as to
> be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a passing L= inux
> familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the m= oment I'm
> not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new system = for
> me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow= to act
> as administrator for us. I would want to see a working conversation, e= ven
> if on another topic, before choosing this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux bo= xes. I'm behind a
satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable for=
anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu.

Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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