Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43338 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fJDC0-0004LX-DW; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:19:16 -0700 Received: from mail-ot0-f172.google.com ([74.125.82.172]:40192) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fJDBT-0004KG-Go for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:18:44 -0700 Received: by mail-ot0-f172.google.com with SMTP id n1-v6so3929176otf.7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:18:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QhMeTTOb+Et4rd6fSqsL0nXxE2GKJ82k7ueRnXVlmnw=; b=EEALJwoIV7uzHtY9kXnmfUNyQGnqr37eLf8Uhgpt6YR5V+4FTeLOoLUc7Hs7w/OCu6 tq9bkA5WLsk7reYlRGVRhWdm/HBbiju+ivHNLs/96DZNSkrs9ZTT/41+1cE9GW9VOEKW Myqt4ydRKHcsCojaXj+cFkbzHbmbNZWRbKeutbAeWqGeePfbz5sSJwDLS3aJfEExZf18 hLCOtioPAHTlBep8As81qQsJwJacnjHKSMsAuJvlEfb1s7k8KqP9u9KWYONxXtljiN6p 2jS0EjazQPiu1phJPmNKv9TXzftX04vHeVJtZWtk1qsFo2uIP4FzwqZYyNTmk6hrmSnn Mguw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=QhMeTTOb+Et4rd6fSqsL0nXxE2GKJ82k7ueRnXVlmnw=; b=lWQo9vEz+oF68plpouhVv1Qw0uK5nlgXcp52Vy+RCKoc8UC9+uu83Y/CcaBMivRjW4 t85+1mGFIBRPGdKQLpf24W0lAZjcprUurD2iJg1c0B0Weic7N5VRnmdrkG3rgaeyhVZb 9ffWNqLTAwTMhzMM5ZC82nwOQU9dUHM/6fP4pDGaLA3AkmQX8gNdlgcnItnDbm3/LZly rKODB2tMo5mP42bOx3hwT/gvLV8FjU2PitvMeueiZd2Mv9Mv4MARejYjVtGmNWcTDBNS HFwPSsXjCxs3avXRn8CbJjUaGcRy3BkVjlJlmjaN6VwDg5x1sz4LPY21Tpw6u14QKwWy FDgw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwdwm4S8mYvWY0atJZWj6ZD3v5ig6isp1dxwkYh4FkOCa6pKiK4g xhlPlAMNFtS1kOX+BsDFbpR828Z0Q452S7HP4w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZq2sCKDYfUHoHRpTBdAhwoxiWKtwOAYTTOjJrtMjAQTBZx4z6PE6/37Ne8iTmTM0QAfA/WxmRMJoFaV+QoqSio= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4330:: with SMTP id s45-v6mr2818777ote.270.1526541516467; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:18:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.201.41.161 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2018 00:17:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2433829.zphRfaENWI@mooncat> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:17:56 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4899823162643257028==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============4899823162643257028== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d2f428056c61a4d9" --000000000000d2f428056c61a4d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2018-05-14 22:58 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services : > Gleki, > > Would you be willing to see about server space for us? > I asked Robin if he could do relevant work for us. A few weeks ago he confirmed that installing Mattermost was doable but at that time we coudn't agree whether installing Mattermost was necessary. Now since we finally selected what we need I'm waiting for his final reply. > I agree that this Mattermost offers everything we can find in the other > packages we have discussed we should need and none of the others have thi= s > ability for free. For anyone who hasn't followed the conversation, > Mattermost provides the ability to have multiple channel categories, if w= e > want, and a discussion which self threads in a package that is generally > easy to use. Because the threading is as simple as selecting an icon besi= de > the comment you are adding to our commenting on it should be > straightforward to bring new people into. I am still working my way throu= gh > the help files, but after (or even during) this meeting I'll feel > comfortable with all the management of it outside of the ties to our > specific server and its management. > > If no one objects is like to see what gleki can learn in the next week, > and at that point we what is possible and how quickly. If it cannot be se= t > up quickly we will use Discord for this meeting so we can get going or > maybe start there and switch over at some point. > Notice that Discord has exactly the same drawbacks as Framateam's Mattermost (that is something not hosted by us) > > .karis. > > On May 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" > wrote: > > > > 2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > >> btw backups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the >> next meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' information= in >> past. >> > > Silence. I wasn't clear, was I? > > If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its servers with logs of our > conversations then we will be able to restore them from our memory only. > > This is unlike this mailing list where every member + Robin's servers eac= h > retains a copy of all the messages since the time they joined this mailin= g > list. > > If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download backups > anutime they want then the probability of losing anything will be mush > lower. > > In case of Framateam we can of course regularly copy the logs manually. > > > > >> 2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : >> >>> Be more ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, >>> migrate between servers >>> >>> On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What more could we do if we self-hosted? >>>> >>>> .karis. >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please, check out framateam's version of mattermost: >>>>> https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D >>>>> 17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw >>>>> >>>>> If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary functionalit= y >>>>> is present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost on his servers. >>>>> >>>>> But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better (it's not nice >>>>> to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than enough). Our= only >>>>> concern would be getting backups of logs (which installation instruct= ions >>>>> of Mattermost provide). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote: >>>>>> > I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of >>>>>> permanency. As for >>>>>> > Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like >>>>>> it has to >>>>>> > be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a >>>>>> passing Linux >>>>>> > familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the >>>>>> moment I'm >>>>>> > not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new >>>>>> system for >>>>>> > me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow >>>>>> to act >>>>>> > as administrator for us. I would want to see a working >>>>>> conversation, even >>>>>> > if on another topic, before choosing this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux boxes. I'm >>>>>> behind a >>>>>> satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable >>>>>> for >>>>>> anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>>>> -- >>>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>>>>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --000000000000d2f428056c61a4d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2018-05-14 22:58 GMT+03:00 Creative Care Services <= ;comcaresvcs@gma= il.com>:
= Gleki,

Would you be willing to= see about server space for us?

I asked Robin if he could do relevant work for us.
A few weeks a= go he confirmed that installing Mattermost was doable but at that time we c= oudn't agree whether installing Mattermost was necessary. Now since we = finally selected what we need I'm waiting for his final reply.

=C2=A0
I agree that this Mattermost offers everything we can= find in the other packages we have discussed we should need and none of th= e others have this ability for free. For anyone who hasn't followed the= conversation, Mattermost provides the ability to have multiple channel cat= egories, if we want, and a discussion which self threads in a package that = is generally easy to use. Because the threading is as simple as selecting a= n icon beside the comment you are adding to our commenting on it should be = straightforward to bring new people into. I am still working my way through= the help files, but after (or even during) this meeting I'll feel comf= ortable with all the management of it outside of the ties to our specific s= erver and its management.

If no one objects is like to see what gleki can learn in the next week, a= nd at that point we what is possible and how quickly. If it cannot be set u= p quickly we will use Discord for this meeting so we can get going or maybe= start there and switch over at some point.
Notice that Discord has exactly the same drawbacks as Framatea= m's Mattermost (that is something not hosted by us)
=C2=A0

<= /div>
.karis.=C2=A0

On M= ay 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> w= rote:


2018-05-09 18:37 GMT= +03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.= com>:
btw = backups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the next meet= ing. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' information in past= .

Silence. I wasn't clear, = was I?

If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all it= s servers with logs of our conversations then we will be able to restore th= em from our memory only.

This is unlike this maili= ng list where every member + Robin's servers each retains a copy of all= the messages since the time they joined this mailing list.

<= /div>
If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download = backups anutime they want then the probability of losing anything will be m= ush lower.

In case of Framateam we can of course r= egularly copy the logs manually.




2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:0= 0 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
Be more = ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, migrate betwe= en servers=C2=A0

On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services <com= caresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"auto">What more could we do if we self-hosted?
=
.karis.=C2=A0

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, check out framateam= 9;s version of mattermost:

If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary functionality i= s present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost on his servers.

But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much b= etter (it's not nice to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan mor= e than enough). Our only concern would be getting backups of logs (which in= stallation instructions of Mattermost provide).


2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre A= bbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Thursday= , 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote:
> I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of permanency. A= s for
> Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like it h= as to
> be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a passing L= inux
> familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the m= oment I'm
> not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new system = for
> me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow= to act
> as administrator for us. I would want to see a working conversation, e= ven
> if on another topic, before choosing this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux bo= xes. I'm behind a
satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable for=
anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu.

Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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