Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58484 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fNYjp-0004E7-3p; Tue, 29 May 2018 00:08:09 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f43.google.com ([209.85.213.43]:34802) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fNYjI-0004C0-PL for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 29 May 2018 00:07:38 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f43.google.com with SMTP id q135-v6so5757434vkh.1 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 00:07:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=p5F5SNHjIw3SYfuhgM+d1XMyJdm4n1zz2fagdmOskks=; b=CKVgTqMQUCri792RsEIUiAa6Cy9xH3MQtK3IyWsDm5LVo3u6b3RqA9UrULBoBiRiSB ZKW0v9MRwmo3cNMKMlhUvNRAlU4dl8BArREfIKemnbNgBd8n3fhsSgQfAu+3mj/fXZ7z xAjN3r6UVUzX6+MmWl+cY5aWIHjLhQfmbPiQasVcmZ0ZVnjmKUvninBzXirDR+D1XJNx uNTt7gtzTGBcCxXS7lVTIS+92d/Ode+BOff6J/uDEMFuIL1eLKWK4ZTnaxEFkWVvmKMN YMKwkZU6FIZkxm9c5inB1i/SqeRtdDlUswDO65aYTWLYcbWznY7N7COpTdy8APcjeApP 7kLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=p5F5SNHjIw3SYfuhgM+d1XMyJdm4n1zz2fagdmOskks=; b=ke5cXwtFHhRoH9nAr7aNlLhESb3hnY/Yh+bGmYo6WcUVwMlwq8tx1kgX8iCOdKCGi/ qf/F737cpmgmTT9TXUXqSRlYJFPYWo1VLWIkOibEbrtaYBOrOyM6Bzkrjj/0PSCaK2Z3 QfXvuTE5zM5Mtt/y1mpO2S/0jGL6yI+o9NRGIlr0haHSUSlsCKxZSj3MHxsxAxJ5emB1 5LOrc75MN8Bvv44Q0lHgfq2lbhcna7NxT7Cpsq1gktgyL42T0eNaS6vVu4kNhp21833E 5gkb3TpdgFbnfz8jn1XejMyaUrRKCMxADSRd2UQPez6CEbnd212M8pizzxomozJ7AcEG 9bxA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwfV+LKcZnxc36gUXsR7AB4pOLzdeedxcy29994pmZ5SXTf1x18h 23dVvzt78JqAUZkU28ELLeynGgDxhcnGDeTxcac= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJdiD9vHp6WFTrLXG2Y64v3CZINBTPXG9qC99af6f3YwQmt6yUVjzwk4KjOK+EBAYU1DPwX6gZv9jBa0CXvtCs= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:ad95:: with SMTP id w143-v6mr9476375vke.128.1527577649682; Tue, 29 May 2018 00:07:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2433829.zphRfaENWI@mooncat> In-Reply-To: From: Creative Care Services Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 03:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] next meeting format X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3403848987394497189==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============3403848987394497189== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002d2087056d52e364" --0000000000002d2087056d52e364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's get the meeting actually going. If no one objects to to doing it. Gleki provided a link under another topic, so I'm including it here as well. Please join as soon as you can. https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw I will be on a trip from the 3rd until the 14th though I should have internet access and time to check in almost every night, so I would like to have the meeting going before then. Thank you, .karis. On May 24, 2018 02:36, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: The hypergraph thing got a demo. https://staging.woost.space/ By creating nodes and children to them you can see a visual hypergraph of your notes appearing. Please, register and see what we could steal from there (in terms of features) in regard to 1. https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Elephant 2. future meetings format 2018-05-17 10:20 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > 2018-05-17 9:35 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks : > >> That seems good to me. Should I or the rest of us be doing anything? >> > > If you can install Mattermost on your servers and create a > password-protected link to backups of the logs of discussions then it'd b= e > wonderful. > > > >> Add backing up mw.lojban.org to the topics for discussion, please, >> someone. >> > > I don't understand. Backing up the whole content of mw.lojban.org in case > some trouble happens to Robin's servers? That's necessary, yes (although > not relevant to the current discussion). > > > >> >> ~~~ Curtis W. Franks >> >> >> On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:59 Creative Care Services >> wrote: >> >>> Gleki, >>> >>> Would you be willing to see about server space for us? I agree that thi= s >>> Mattermost offers everything we can find in the other packages we have >>> discussed we should need and none of the others have this ability for f= ree. >>> For anyone who hasn't followed the conversation, Mattermost provides th= e >>> ability to have multiple channel categories, if we want, and a discussi= on >>> which self threads in a package that is generally easy to use. Because = the >>> threading is as simple as selecting an icon beside the comment you are >>> adding to our commenting on it should be straightforward to bring new >>> people into. I am still working my way through the help files, but afte= r >>> (or even during) this meeting I'll feel comfortable with all the manage= ment >>> of it outside of the ties to our specific server and its management. >>> >>> If no one objects is like to see what gleki can learn in the next week, >>> and at that point we what is possible and how quickly. If it cannot be = set >>> up quickly we will use Discord for this meeting so we can get going or >>> maybe start there and switch over at some point. >>> >>> .karis. >>> >>> On May 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna" >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : >>> >>>> btw backups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the >>>> next meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' informati= on in >>>> past. >>>> >>> >>> Silence. I wasn't clear, was I? >>> >>> If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses all its servers with logs of our >>> conversations then we will be able to restore them from our memory only= . >>> >>> This is unlike this mailing list where every member + Robin's servers >>> each retains a copy of all the messages since the time they joined this >>> mailing list. >>> >>> If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to download backup= s >>> anutime they want then the probability of losing anything will be mush >>> lower. >>> >>> In case of Framateam we can of course regularly copy the logs manually. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2018-05-09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna = : >>>> >>>>> Be more ready to downtimes of particular services, deal with backups, >>>>> migrate between servers >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 9, 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services < >>>>> comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What more could we do if we self-hosted? >>>>>> >>>>>> .karis. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki Arxokuna >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Please, check out framateam's version of mattermost: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D17b4ir6u6by6px693d= m8kmy7yw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessary >>>>>>> functionality is present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost = on his >>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But if Pierre can do it themselves it'd be much better (it's not >>>>>>> nice to still rely on Robin who did for Lojbanistan more than enoug= h). Our >>>>>>> only concern would be getting backups of logs (which installation >>>>>>> instructions of Mattermost provide). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2018-05-07 12:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote: >>>>>>>> > I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of >>>>>>>> permanency. As for >>>>>>>> > Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks lik= e >>>>>>>> it has to >>>>>>>> > be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a >>>>>>>> passing Linux >>>>>>>> > familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the >>>>>>>> moment I'm >>>>>>>> > not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new >>>>>>>> system for >>>>>>>> > me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and >>>>>>>> avow to act >>>>>>>> > as administrator for us. I would want to see a working >>>>>>>> conversation, even >>>>>>>> > if on another topic, before choosing this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux boxes. >>>>>>>> I'm behind a >>>>>>>> satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitabl= e >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>>>>>>> J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members --0000000000002d2087056d52e364 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let's get the meeting actually going. If no one objec= ts to to doing it. Gleki provided a link under another topic, so I'm in= cluding it here as well. Please join as soon as you can.
<= br>
I will be on a trip from the 3rd until the 14th th= ough I should have internet access and time to check in almost every night,= so I would like to have the meeting going before then.=C2=A0

Thank you,=C2=A0
.karis.=C2=A0

On May 24, 2018 02:36, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
=
The hypergraph thing got a demo.


B= y creating nodes and children to them you can see a visual hypergraph of yo= ur notes appearing.

Please, register and see what = we could steal from there (in terms of features) in regard to=C2=A0
1.=C2=A0https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Ele= phant
2. future meetings format


=


2018-05-17 10:20 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:

<= br>
2018-05-17 9:35 GMT+03:00 Curtis Franks= <curtis.w.franks@gmail.c= om>:
That seems good to me. Should I or the rest of us be doing anything?
=

If you can install Mattermost= on your servers and create a password-protected link to backups of the log= s of discussions then it'd be wonderful.



Add backing up mw.lo= jban.org to the topics for discussion, please, someone.
=

I don't understand. Backi= ng up the whole content of mw.lojban.org in case some = trouble happens to Robin's servers? That's necessary, yes (although= not relevant to the current discussion).

<= div>=C2=A0

~~~ C= urtis W. Franks


On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:59 Creative = Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Gleki,

Would you be willing to see about s= erver space for us? I agree that this Mattermost offers everything we can f= ind in the other packages we have discussed we should need and none of the = others have this ability for free. For anyone who hasn't followed the c= onversation, Mattermost provides the ability to have multiple channel categ= ories, if we want, and a discussion which self threads in a package that is= generally easy to use. Because the threading is as simple as selecting an = icon beside the comment you are adding to our commenting on it should be st= raightforward to bring new people into. I am still working my way through t= he help files, but after (or even during) this meeting I'll feel comfor= table with all the management of it outside of the ties to our specific ser= ver and its management.

= If no one objects is like to see what gleki can learn in the next week, and= at that point we what is possible and how quickly. If it cannot be set up = quickly we will use Discord for this meeting so we can get going or maybe s= tart there and switch over at some point.

=
.karis.=C2=A0

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On May 14, 2018 07:59, "Gleki Arxokuna"= <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2018-05-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 Gle= ki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
btw backups of mw.lojban.org is something we should discuss during the nex= t meeting. Robin is no Google and even Google lost users' information i= n past.

Silence. I wasn't c= lear, was I?

If e.g. Framateam accidentally loses = all its servers with logs of our conversations then we will be able to rest= ore them from our memory only.

This is unlike this= mailing list where every member + Robin's servers each retains a copy = of all the messages since the time they joined this mailing list.

If we install Mattermost ourselves and allow members to dow= nload backups anutime they want then the probability of losing anything wil= l be mush lower.

In case of Framateam we can of co= urse regularly copy the logs manually.




2018-05-= 09 13:19 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:=
Be more ready to downt= imes of particular services, deal with backups, migrate between servers=C2= =A0

On Wed, May 9, = 2018, 12:18 Creative Care Services <comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
What more could we do if we self-hosted?
.karis.=C2=A0

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 03:20 Gleki A= rxokuna <= gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, check out framateam's version of m= attermost:
https://frama= team.org/signup_user_complete/?id=3D17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw

If you are happy with it, if you think all the necessa= ry functionality is present then I'll ask Robin to install Mattermost o= n his servers.

But if Pierre can do it themselves = it'd be much better (it's not nice to still rely on Robin who did f= or Lojbanistan more than enough). Our only concern would be getting backups= of logs (which installation instructions of Mattermost provide).

=

2018-05-07 12:33 = GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Thursday, 3 May 2018 00.01.58 EDT Creative Care Services wrote:
> I think Slack is our of consideration due to its lack of permanency. A= s for
> Mattermost, after looking through various documents it looks like it h= as to
> be managed from a machine running Linux. Since I have only a passing L= inux
> familiarity and don't have access to a machine running it at the m= oment I'm
> not able to explore more deeply how it functions and its a new system = for
> me. I'm willing to try it, but only if someone is willing and avow= to act
> as administrator for us. I would want to see a working conversation, e= ven
> if on another topic, before choosing this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one of us who has several Linux bo= xes. I'm behind a
satellite connection, which means my home computers aren't suitable for=
anything quickly responsive, but I have two VPSes running Ubuntu.

Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada.


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