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On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 02:35:44PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> The upshot of all this was that cukta is used for a work, and
> papri/selpapri is used for a page/volume.

Wow.  Then the definition of cukta seems broken, because of:

    [x1 is a manifestation/container [a physical object or its
    analogue] of a work/content, not necessarily using paper (=
    selpapri)];

That seems to require it to be a physical thing.  If "cukta" is
supposed to be "document", what would the x1 and x2 be for a web
page?

> In a cukta, a numbered page or logical page is, as And suggested,
> a cukta ke jvinu selci ja pagbu.  

I didn't see And suggest that anywhere, not that it matters.

It can't really be selci; the only indivisible unit of a book is a
single character.

> The second problem with a web page as metaphorically based on book
> pages is that in fact the web isn't really a single work, bound
> together. 

That's what *I* said.

> There are unlinked web pages that aren't bound to
> anything, and of course the entire mass is a multitude of works.
> Nor is an individual website a selpapri.  In the context of
> lojban.org as it has been, you have the tiki, the old wiki,
> lojban.org, your mailing list archives, and who knows what else.

Well, I do.  Would you like a list?  :-)

> What would be the selpapri for any particular web-page-as papri,
> given that a web page might not be part of a larger work.  It
> isn't clear because the metaphor is flawed.

Indeed.  Note that this was xorxes' preference, not mine.

> It seems to me that the web is another example of a concept that
> has occurred often, for which we do not have a good word - a
> network with nodes.  

Erm, tcana?

> I would find it easy to support a new gismu for the concept of a
> network with nodes, leading to a web page as a logical node in a
> particular network of stored information.

*nod*

That's good to know.  Thanks.  But isn't it tcana?

-Robin

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