From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Jul 22 18:13:57 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net ([68.230.240.36]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Dw8aP-0002UW-C3 for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:13:55 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (really [24.250.99.39]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050723011338.MTNU22649.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:13:38 -0400 Message-ID: <42E19A4B.7010904@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:15:55 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] Re: Supplicatory Model: papri References: <20050716010140.GU2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42D95380.802@lojban.org> <20050718044439.GE2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42DB5132.1040507@lojban.org> <925d1756050722083624970a05@mail.gmail.com> <007d01c58f19$acc170c0$973e0751@sonyvaio> <1122077937.2288.0.camel@localhost> <20050723002055.GL2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20050723002055.GL2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 36 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>te tcidu? > > > I *really* don't like the agentive nature of "te tcidu"; it means > that a document isn't unless it's being read. No, It isn't a te tcidu unless it *potentially* could be read by zo'e (assuming that other places apply). Every gismu can refer to potential states as well as actual ones. lojbab