From a.rosta@v21.me.uk Sun Jul 24 15:26:50 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk ([62.41.128.20]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Dwovf-00012i-UY for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:26:48 -0700 Received: from sonyvaio (host81-7-63-8.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.63.8]) by heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j6OIuSH32655 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: <00ef01c5909e$bec80820$973e0751@sonyvaio> From: "And Rosta" To: References: <20050716010140.GU2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42D95380.802@lojban.org> <20050718044439.GE2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42DB5132.1040507@lojban.org> <925d1756050722083624970a05@mail.gmail.com> <007d01c58f19$acc170c0$973e0751@sonyvaio> <1122077937.2288.0.camel@localhost> <20050723002055.GL2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42E19A4B.7010904@lojban.org> <20050724005858.GE17178@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Subject: [llg-members] Re: Supplicatory Model: papri Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:25:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 40 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members Robin: > I retract my objection, and agree that "te tcidu" best renders > "document". I agree, so long as looking at pictures & listening to sounds counts as "reading" -- "intelligently being audience-consumer-receiver of X in the way appropriate to X". Which IMO wd be a very good move. > On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 12:41:31AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: >> So anyway, from this it looks to me as though a webpage is a cukta >> and/or a se cukta, depending on whether one is talking about >> webpage as medium or as content. > > Can you clarify this? > > More generally, please pick a web page (any web page), and describe > it using all 5 places of cukta. I find that regardless of what sort of cukta is involved, I don't know how to use all 5 places of "cukta". "x1 is book containing work x2 by author x3 for audience x4 preserved in medium x5". It seems to me that "book" corresponds to both "se cukta" and "xe cukta", but I've no idea what x1 of cukta is. (I'd always assumed that a cukta was a book, but then I'd never studied the place structure before, only the gloss.) It still seems to me, though, that "cukta" would apply to documents in general (including webpages) as much as it does to books. --And.