From a.rosta@v21.me.uk Tue Jul 26 04:07:56 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk ([62.41.128.20]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1DxNHp-0002lc-Dk for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:07:53 -0700 Received: from sonyvaio (host81-7-58-74.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.58.74]) by heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j6Q7avH30630 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:36:58 +0100 Message-ID: <01a401c591d2$3f7921f0$973e0751@sonyvaio> From: "And Rosta" To: References: <20050716010140.GU2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42D95380.802@lojban.org> <20050718044439.GE2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42DB5132.1040507@lojban.org> <925d1756050722083624970a05@mail.gmail.com> <007d01c58f19$acc170c0$973e0751@sonyvaio> <1122077937.2288.0.camel@localhost> <20050723002055.GL2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42E19A4B.7010904@lojban.org> <20050724005858.GE17178@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <00ef01c5909e$bec80820$973e0751@sonyvaio> <42E41EF9.3090601@lojban.org> <011701c590ac$a2b14b70$973e0751@sonyvaio> <42E46BF5.20107@lojban.org> Subject: [llg-members] Re: Supplicatory Model: papri Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:53:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 54 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members Bob: > And Rosta wrote: >> lojbab: >>> And Rosta wrote: >>> >>>> I agree, so long as looking at pictures >>> >>> Young kids read picture books >>> >>>> & listening to sounds counts >>>> as "reading" >>> >>> Blind people read with braille (touch), so why should hearing be >>> forbidden as a reading method? >> >> I was thinking of nontextual webpages that may merely display pictures >> or play sounds. > > There are picture books for young kids that have no text on the pages. Sure: I was just making sure that such books can be "se tcidu". When the gimste says "x2 [text]" it is not always clear whether such parenthetical notes as "[text]" are meant to be indicative or definitive. Usually indicative, I gather. >>> "Book" corresponds to cukta, se cukta and xe cukta, but they are >>> different senses of "book" >> >> I still don't get the difference between x1 and x5. In what sense does >> the >> loglan website have a different x5 form of the same x1 rather than a >> different x1 form of the same x2? > > The Loglan website version of Loglan 1 differs from my paper copy of > Loglan 1 BOTH in x1 and x5. The Loglan website version of Loglan 1 > differs from the copy I have on my computer only in x1; they have the same > x5. My copy of the dead tree Loglan 1 and John Cowan's copy of the dead > tree Loglan 1 are also different x1s but they share the same x5. > > I imagine that the future may include ebooks that both display text and > read it to you aloud, in which case we can have a single instance of an x1 > that is associated with more than one x5 value. Thanks. I understand now. (The x5 place is redundant, since "ko'a cukta fu lo broda" entails "ko'a broda"; but at least the place structure is intelligible to me now.) --And.