From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 11 12:46:54 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ig3zh-0004PR-Ov for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:46:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:46:53 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] Re: LLG AGM 2007: New Business Message-ID: <20071011194653.GT13890@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: llg-members@lojban.org References: <20070918181955.GW10667@nvg.org> <20071010000942.GZ10376@digitalkingdom.org> <20071011190654.GO13890@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17560710111231j2416a4aepa6dc3e844241d0b8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <925d17560710111231j2416a4aepa6dc3e844241d0b8@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-archive-position: 367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 04:31:46PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 10/11/07, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > We (the inhabitants of the *very* active #lojban IRC channel) > > have been having a little problem for the last, umm, couple of > > years. Newbies come in and try to say things, and almost > > instantly someone says "Not in xorlo" and corrects them. > > That's odd. I would expect most anything that is correct pre-xorlo > should remain correct in xorlo, so the situation as you paint it > should not arise that often. If it does, something has gone wrong. The situation usually starts with someone translating "lo" as "the thing that really is", or is trying to understand what "lo" means in general. IOW, newbies asking meta-questions about the language. I'm reviewing my logs, and I've found: 9 cases of general attempt to understand gadri leading to xorlo 1 case of directions to read "How To Use xorlo" as part of early Lojban language learning 3 case of xorlo being shown to a newbie as a side effect of other discussion (one case included the phrase "xorlo are the great leveler") Then I got bored; all of that is from between Fri Jul 21 2006 and Mon Nov 27 2006. I'm copying the following (edited) exchange as an... interesting... example of the general attempt case: < jbopre #1> mu loi mu nanmu cu bevri le pipno < jbopre #1> There are 5 pianos carried by 25 men? < jbopre #2> 5 pianos carried by 5 groups of 5 men, right? < jbopre #3> "five out of five men carry one or more pianos together" < jbopre #3> I think, before xorlo, that would have been an assertion that there are only five male people in the world < jbopre #1> jbopre #3: I'm reading xorlo right now < jbopre #3> never read xorlo before? < jbopre #1> Or, rather, http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=How%20to%20use%20xorlo < jbopre #1> Yep. < jbopre #3> that always weirds me out. To me, xorlo is like the Bible of Lojban -Robin -- Lojban Reason #17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/