From cowan@ccil.org Fri Oct 12 16:10:03 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.ccil.org ([192.190.237.11]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IgTdp-0005Ji-4J for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:10:02 -0700 Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IgTdo-0004Vk-6W for llg-members@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:10:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:10:00 -0400 To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] Re: LLG AGM 2007: New Business Message-ID: <20071012231000.GG4791@mercury.ccil.org> References: <20070918181955.GW10667@nvg.org> <20071010000942.GZ10376@digitalkingdom.org> <20071011190654.GO13890@digitalkingdom.org> <470E9480.3000307@lojban.org> <20071012022955.GG13890@digitalkingdom.org> <470F688A.2050209@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <470F688A.2050209@lojban.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: John Cowan X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 401 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@ccil.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members Bob LeChevalier scripsit: > Yes, it is > bureaucratic (i.e. heavy on procedures and paperwork), but by making a > procedure bureaucratic it DOES get done eventually, It gets done if someone is highly motivated (by money or otherwise) to make it so. Nobody is. Fiddling with procedure won't change that. > If this had been done from the start, then a long time ago we should > have had, with almost no debate at all, a draft for every section, and a > whole bunch of questions, issues, and change proposals to be considered, > all of which would be decided upon as changes to the *complete* draft. The barrier has not been excessive debate, but apathy. > There should have been no contention in writing those draft sections. There probably isn't. Nobody has stepped up to do them, is all. -- Work hard, John Cowan play hard, cowan@ccil.org die young, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan rot quickly.