From and.rosta@gmail.com Sun Oct 14 11:27:58 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ih8Bt-0002Vf-0r for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:27:56 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so827521uge for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:27:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=thPYSt0ehWT/skqHudJDHL/kWKGOa+lHwLho7xJIIg8=; b=WpUV69s08xyab9qpmgu2Il4b1JyJxpW/JiwRJ/0oi1bRq4CTFDRv50fq3Gj6oqKb0e3pWIIelNfmY5ht2p9AOPe3f/GxJjlwvWrAPh1sjUGiE6Dugfx/HfQqEL8GAFwCHonmftXJWe0qtlPEM77yv6SqVALA318D9mo8Naq178g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Jnm4yJRgPM/Lsrq9t0ExsDRdvacjz3Ltql6IpZWI17LRi4fvQ3vcmMndYioEjzS6YUdLMANdXsjp0Ov9sLamI5uCOb7YgLJqDkPijJweDnDzjJKvWY2HsZBd9+IM8gxbb1PlRvXpuj+bfobCairaBuCM8IBzJDitVAjbQUilAM0= Received: by 10.67.24.11 with SMTP id b11mr6947046ugj.1192386470275; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.68? ( [87.194.76.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j33sm2482789ugc.2007.10.14.11.27.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47125FA0.30207@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:27:44 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] Re: LLG AGM 2007: New Business References: <470E9480.3000307@lojban.org> <20071012022955.GG13890@digitalkingdom.org> <470F688A.2050209@lojban.org> <20071012172307.GD31644@digitalkingdom.org> <470FD7BB.2030202@lojban.org> <925d17560710121543u7022f8d2n56d06f14ac6f8e7d@mail.gmail.com> <471099AA.4070805@gmail.com> <20071013235327.GR31644@digitalkingdom.org> <47123DF7.9070802@gmail.com> <20071014171235.GB6417@mercury.ccil.org> In-Reply-To: <20071014171235.GB6417@mercury.ccil.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 413 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: and.rosta@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members John Cowan, On 14/10/2007 18:12: > And Rosta scripsit: > >>> I, on the other hand, think it's a very bad idea. The current >>> definitions for most of the cmavo are atrocious. >> Everybody's unwillingness to improve the documentation on certain cmavo is >> arguably indicative of a lack of will for those cmavo to remain in the >> language. > > Just because I think the definition of "fairy" in the OED is buggy, but > can't be arsed to improve it myself, does not mean I wish to see the word > ejected from English. Lojban now has a life of its own independent of > dictionaries and grammars. When I said "language", I meant not "language that has a life of its own independent of dictionaries and grammars" but rather "canonical language as defined by quasiprescriptive dictionaries and grammars". Clearly the BPFK is tasked to deliver the rudiments of the dictionaries-and-grammars for Lojban in the latter sense but not the former. (I'm surprised you appear to have misread me; it still looks obvious to me what I meant...) --And.