From arj@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 20 10:35:50 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IjIEl-0002qr-Vg for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:35:50 -0700 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B5D94783 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:35:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l9KHZawb018256 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:35:36 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id l9KHZZhi018255 for llg-members@lojban.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:35:35 +0200 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:35:35 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] LLG AGM 2007: New Business. Motions that are on the table Message-ID: <20071020173535.GD1196@nvg.org> References: <20070918181955.GW10667@nvg.org> <20071010000942.GZ10376@digitalkingdom.org> <20071011190654.GO13890@digitalkingdom.org> <20071018203153.GB1196@nvg.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071018203153.GB1196@nvg.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 466 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 10:31:53PM +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > We have at least two proposed motions for new business here (official statement on xorlo, and establishing temporary baselines), and multiple amendments. I will turn this into a preliminary voting schedule, but unfortunately this will not happen until at least 24 hours from now. I have been inventorying the discussion, and it seems that we have three independent motions on the table, none with amendments. Per And's suggestion, Craig's motion will be considered first, even though it wasn't proposed first. Feel free to object. Please speak up IMMEDIATELY if any of the following is the case: - The text or intention of a motion is misrepresented. - You intended your motion to be a friendly amendment to another motion. - You proposed a motion, but it is not included in the list below. If everything is in order, and there is no further discussion, I will call for a vote in the beginning of next week. Note that we are still open for motions and amendments. Proposers will also be allowed to retract their motions if they so wish. 1) The following procedures are added to the extant BPFK procedures: "Any proposal which at least half of the BPFK membership has voted on in a tentative vote with none voting against, may be submitted by the BPFKJ to the general membership as a possible piece of the zasni gafyfantytei ("interim baseline", herein after referred to as the ZG). Such a proposal requires a two-thirds majority of those voting to vote in favor of it at the general membership meeting in order to pass. Voting something into the ZG has the following effects: 1. The proposal will be considered correct Lojban until such a time the complete new baseline is established and approved by the membership. Usage according to the CLL standard will not be considered incorrect, but usage according to the ZG will be preferred. 2. The BPFK will recognize that such a vote indicates a desire by the membership for the proposal in question to be included, in modified form if necessary, when the new baseline is finished. Such a desire will not be considered binding in any way. 3. The membership is encouraged to use the ZG standard in all pedagogical contexts, and in all Lojban conversation. The ZG will last only until the entire new baseline is written by the BPFK and approved by the membership." Proposed by: Craig Daniel Seconded by: Pierre Abbat 2) The membership recognizes xorlo. Specifically, the membership assert that xorlo is more correct than the CLL at this time. Whatever the BPFK comes up with, xorlo will be part of it. New Lojbanists should be taught it as soon as possible. Proposed by: Robin Lee Powell Seconded by: Theodore Reed 3) It is the sense of the LLG membership that xorlo should be adopted by the byfy, and it is the sense of the membership that the self-consistent use of either xorlo or the CLL standard by members of the community, pending a final decision by the byfy, should not be considered incorrect and subject to correction". Proposed by: Bob LeChevalier Seconded by: Robin Lee Powell -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ P� hjul er du kj�rende.