From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Oct 30 13:49:43 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net ([68.230.240.46]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KveSX-0004Ne-Gy for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:49:43 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081030204924.QUXE2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:49:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([70.187.235.94]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Z8pR1a00922sj6m028pRlE; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:49:25 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=g9VMGbM3X-0A:10 a=pLsZmdU2mTEA:10 a=N_3r1K4XqdkO22ufDhUA:9 a=8fdDJ6b31DpD12eDiKgA:7 a=83IoFZP3ClUHAaxy32uC-dCxqk8A:4 a=pt045V2O6wwA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <490A1DD3.1050900@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:49:23 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] Re: LLG AGM 2008: New Business References: <20081008210111.GX2447@nvg.org> <20081029184442.GA2447@nvg.org> <20081030200620.GH2447@nvg.org> In-Reply-To: <20081030200620.GH2447@nvg.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 630 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > I would also like to point out that the Board is free to spend the > corporation's money, so long as it's in the furtherance of our > purpose. I would definitely say that fridge magnets and board games > based on Lojban would fall in that category! So I don't think it's > necessary for the AGM to decide whether or not to spend money on > producing and selling these items; it can be left to the Board. In general, when something is proposed close to the Annual Meeting, it is a good idea for the membership to vote on it. The board does do day-to-day management, but it is supposed to be responsive to the direction that the membership sets. The Board has been given very little direction from the membership on what sorts of things it is worth spending money on. LogFests and publishing of books and journals have met with member approval in the past. As I said to the Board, given the timing we really should have gone to the membership with Robin's CFG proposal at least in outline form - certainly the Board should decide the details (or in the latter case pass them off to a committee of Robin and John Cowan as seems to have happened). Part of this is accountability, especially since we haven't been producing Board meeting minutes (which we are required to by bylaw (and possibly by law), but I find it hard to fault Robin when Board meetings have become nothing more than an restricted mailing list with little semblance of formal parliamentary procedure). Member decisions are eventually reduced to some publically reviewable form in the form of the annual meeting minutes. In proposing a new product, it might also be useful to survey the various lists to determine the size of the market once a price is in mind - the Board or its assigned committee can do that. lojbab