From and.rosta@gmail.com Thu Oct 30 14:06:38 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.150]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kveiw-00060x-RM for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:06:38 -0700 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so303455eyk.58 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:05:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NShjKfu31XhDFNvbJGBPf0vNV6y7x4jM3qUOgUxsBuo=; b=sHlyFPVHem12EAHZrPEIcn+wDgjj4y1sr4Yhuha/bjGHvy5nA56ID3/WGUaXq9OSVj NIdCxXRT/nU6tFj2ieUIupW/11Q4mRPjpT3HEcnXmMlx6SR2SwjG5gCWW9JJ3wWDS+IW mi8YWXlOBUUrHRUjKByBvDAHfDAZjk43CHTzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vCXXJyth/miZE2NsVqjb+6BtCE/rl+4mKIXcNKQEOx4j49F/9ajoLHMAmYMMd8+hvT Xg2TM8EMrGP4ZYvzMyAE2uSQ3va6g/6Lux5Gn8EoiYQxHUED1QVP6xPDRoE/K1TffZR3 qt59xvNGs3Bk7u5ScYimy7OuTgFqgHd0oWinU= Received: by 10.210.46.12 with SMTP id t12mr12283559ebt.22.1225399274367; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.72? (87-194-76-9.bethere.co.uk [87.194.76.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm3608788gve.8.2008.10.30.13.41.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <490A1BE7.3080309@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:41:11 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] Re: LLG AGM 2008: Old Business References: <20081008210111.GX2447@nvg.org> <20081029184223.GZ2447@nvg.org> <49099C8B.6030004@gmail.com> <490A164D.9020907@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <490A164D.9020907@lojban.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.4 X-Spam-Score-Int: -3 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 632 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: and.rosta@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members Bob LeChevalier, On 30/10/2008 20:17: > Matt Arnold wrote: >> I forget why it is that Lojbab can't sell them on Amazon. Can someone >> remind me? If only I had more than one copy, I could do it. > > I used to, but their procedures changed so as to make it prohibitively > expensive (giving them 55%, we pay shipping to them, and they can return > remainders at our cost). It has since changed further, but I stopped > following the options. Someone would have to research it. I suspect > that a seller would have to be MUCH more responsive to orders than I > have been. > > And mentioned taking over for Colin Fine for UK sales, but what is > forgotten is that Colin actually BOUGHT a full box of books (saving > considerable money by my shipping the entire box in one non-air-mail > shipment), and he was able to sell them at cost for less than people > would have had to pay us to ship copies to them. I don't know how the > economics would work these days - but shipping to the UK has gotten much > more expensive because surface mail shipping was eliminated. > > LLG could more easily afford to front the cost of shipping books to > intermediary sellers than it used to, but would be taking all the risk > upon itself unless the sellers fronted some of the costs, and I'm sure > amazon still gets a nice cut, though I am not sure how much. But in any > event, we would no longer make nearly as much money on such sales as we > used to, unless perhaps the amazon sellers charged the cover price of > $49 (still a substantial savings over $200, though, and some number of > the copies are autographed by John associated with some LogFest that he > signed them at, which might motivate the buyers - though we'll send such > copies at no extra charge if requested already. [I think we probably went through all this last year -- I think I remember looking up postal costs and Amazon commissions.] Any number of us could be Amazon Sellers. The Seller ships directly to the buyer. Amazon gets a cut and also gives a fixed rate for postage; you have to factor that in when setting the price. Sellers can set any price; obviously we want to set it at a price that maximizes sales while avoiding loss. I guess LLG itself could be a Seller. Really the only issues are (a) who can be arsed to parcel up books and take them to the post office, & (b) whether it is more cost-efficient to ship each sale from the US or to ship a bulk batch to Europe, thence to be sent out individually. --And.